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Steven this line with your Norman avatar is cracking me up. Seems you are taking on a bit of the persona or relating empathically with the Hitchcock character.  LMAO

You bring up some good points though about not jumping the gun on the cause.

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Excercise works for some people. It didn't work for me. The problem is that restless leg doesn't start. for me, until I am laying down in bed. I have to admit that when I wasn't smoking I didn't have it at all.

i took wellabutrin for a spell and that stuff messed me up bad...it gave me the jolts and shakes like you get at the end of a good yawn or a bad nyquil buzz..im wondering if maybe the vivid dreams are a result of your nicocentre being disabled by the chantix. thats the beauty of how it works, it turns off the part of your brain that is associated with nicotine, whereas the patches and gums enable that addiction..funny how someone finally thought of dismantleing the addiction rather than feeding it..i guess you could say my dreams are a little more vivid, but the content is the same..i have kicked every addiction now from cocaine, to pills, to booze, to cigs and its weird how i dream constantly about still having these habits. i constantly do lines in my dreams but the powder usually blows away or something. i had a dream the other night that i had a cigerette so i guess that chapter of my dreams have begun. i woke up all sad that i had broken down and started smoking asgain. it was a terrible guilt but i smiled realizing it was just a dream and i fell back asleep..better to be a dream addict than a living one i guess..maybe ill dream about sharing a room with lohan in rehab and ill get myself better..perhaps our dream world is as much a reality as our living one, but yet i digress because a topic like that could only be entertained by acidheads and we are not here to promote addiction ! its great to see some of you by the way..kappy you always have and always will crack me up .

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crap.......i gotta get a girlfriend quick !!

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Thats a sad story but I hafta believe it was the combination of alcohol & the drug that did it. I just took my first dose of Chantix this am. I have heard such great things about it & hell after the mood I was in last week , I;ll try ANYTHING ! Talk about foul I was that plus more. It was the wrong time of the month to quit first of all & then I have other things going on like about 6 "honey-do" jobs that hubbys been working on and they are all halfway done. Then throw kids in the mix & ya have instant pi$$y mood after no ciggs ! Sooo I didnt want to use the drug but I couldnt handle the crying & bi***ing either. Thats just not me. So I called the Dr & had her write me a script. I hope this works ! And thank God I dont drink anymore !!

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[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

Yeah,  With my luck I'd take Chantix,  have a stroke and lose my sex partner to paralysis


Btw, initial aggitation and nervousness is a VERY well and common effect when people start off on prozac, which is why you start low and up the doseage slowly, anyone to start a patient out on more than 20 mg isn't thinkin. Upset stomach at times too is commonly known.. Few of these drugs are totally free of any side effects.. It's weighing pros and cons.. What I was saying is "blacking out and becoming an axe murderess" because a person is taking 40 Mg of prozac just isn't factual.  You don't go "insane" and become incompetent to stand trial or get impulses that turn you into a raging wild person who's no longer in control of themselves from taking an SSRI class antidepressant.  Side effects for some are uncomfortable so often docs switch people to something with fewer side effects such as Paxil, Zoloft, etc.. Many opt to take a tranq as needed in addition.  Welbutrin is tougher to take for most since it is more along the lines of a psychostimulant..  Those that liked that "nicotine rush" would easily tolerate most SSRI's, cigarettes are a strong stimulant/antidepressant substance.. The initial side effects of the SSRI's usually subside within a few weeks,  before the beneficial calming effects kick in, in around 3-5 weeks.  

I can't imagine that they'd attempt to do desensitization using an SSRI such as prozac however, that just doesn't make sense to me in the case of a specific fear such as hypodermic needles,  That's a common fear that tranqs are MUCH more effective in treating.  To me it'd make far more sense to use a benzodiazepine tranq such as Alprazolam,  Clonazepam, etc as a low dosage PRN, such as what dentists will often prescribe for phobic patients.  Not a maint med such as an SSRI class.  Even the tricyclics such as Doxepin have a more calming or sedating initial immediate effect (yet longer term these can be rough).  I started chain smoking when I was taking Tofranil



Precautions are IMMENSE.  If you have 20 million people in the United States taking a medication, and one person taking the medication happens to be severely ill, perhaps bipolar, abusing alcohol, and perhaps mixing meds and something happens, or even assuming the person dies because it's just their time to die3.. PDR, and all references MUST document the case and the fact that the common drug they were taking as well MIGHT have contribtuted to the "untimely death", or even psychotic rage incident.  What do we all know about this person who seemed to flip out ?  WHAT do we know that links it to this ONE particular medication he was taking and not something we don't yet know ?  Because his girlfriend made a statement ?  Perhaps she's trying to cover something else up that she had a part in.  So what happens ?  A new med takes the fall for what might not be related to the med.

I'm MUCH more interested in the few circumstances we know that seem strange..He's fine around 1 AM, gets to his GF's home around 2:15 loses it 10 minutes later because according to her he wants to leave and his girlfriend didn't want him driving, as a result he starts to hit her seeming blacked out oblivious to who she even is, and depersonalized chases her out, she runs inside and locks him out following which he tried to kick the neighbors door down.  This is just random insanity ?  Maybe but the neighbor fires what he states to be a "Warning shot" thru the door fearing a burglar is trying to break in at 4AM.. The girlfriends neighbor Logg (also a blues musician with albums out) unknowingly hits what turns out to be taller than anticipated 6'4" Albrecht in the head while his intent was to just fire a high warning shot while the unknown person is trying to kick his door down, unbeknownst to Logg it's Albrecht,  but a different report states the following


So he was able to look thru a window, but didn't know where the person actually was when he fired a warning shot ? Still,  Logg shot thru a glass portion of the door. It appears he DID know that this was albrecht. If he shot thru glass and hit albrecht in the head.. He can say "I didn't know the person was that tall" ?

So there's a window, Log KNOWS who this person is, and obviously would've had a clue as to whether or not he's firing directly at the person.

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This sounds bizarre, but according to pharmacologists wouldn't be due to Chantix. Although it certainly sounds as though he was :blacked out:.

Ms. Rathbone said she met Mr. Albrecht about 1 a.m. Monday at a bar on Greenville Avenue. He had taken a dose of the drug just before going to the bar and didn't seem drunk when she got there, she said.

But as they left the bar shortly after 2 a.m., Mr. Albrecht started acting bizarrely, she said. He began quoting a book about the oppression of the Jews called Constantine's Sword, which he had recently been reading.

"He was saying weird, off-the-wall stuff that didn't match our conversation," Ms. Rathbone said. "I think because I didn't understand, he started to get mad at me. It didn't make sense."

She said they were home about 10 minutes when he became out of control.

"He wanted to leave, and I didn't want him to drive," she said. "He already didn't know who I was at that point. I didn't want him going anywhere."

That's when he began to hit her, she said. "He didn't even realize he was hurting me. He had no idea. He was saying the same kinds of stuff that didn't make sense. It was like he was in a dream."

Mr. Albrecht chased Ms. Rathbone outside, and she ran back in, locking him out, the police report said. Mr. Albrecht then went to the back of the neighbor's home and started banging.

The Dallas County medical examiner's office will conduct toxicology tests to determine what was in Mr. Albrecht's system. But that will probably take several weeks.

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I hope they make the results public. I think they might.

Given the widespread concern regarding the drug that was mentioned Chuck, and it's popularity, info will get out despite family wishes and the Pfizer Pharm Co will release public records ESPECIALLY  if found that there were other mixes in his body.. This is billions of dollars of pharmaceutical business revenue involved now.. His reputation will mean nothing assuming public records can get Pfizer off the hook enabling the public to feel more comfortable taking their product, the onus of evidence has been now placed on THAT one med.  Fact that that med is now associated with his death means he'll get dragged thru the mud in hopes of allaying concerns regarding a billion dollar-plus selling product.  Same thing happened around 1990 when Loyala Marymount B-ball pro-recruit died of SCDS on the basketball court and it was found out he was taking "Inderal" (Hank Gathers).  So many were taking the beta-blocker that ALL his medical records became pertinent to medical people all over the world (and those on the drug that were taking the multipurpose adrenergic blocking agent for Migraine, public speaking anxiety, High blood pressure, anxiety, you name it).   Fact that he had Ischemia, and died of myopathy and fingers were pointed to college recruiting practices overlooking medical documentation was superceded by a drug company wishing to show that the medication itself IS NOT a cause of sudden coronary death from Super-ventricular fibrillation.. Thing is this is the drug USED for concerns about dangerous arrhythmetic cardiac conditions, and people were freaking out.  This also was supposed to have set a standard in the college sports realm regarding NOT letting kids with potentially dangerous injuries (fear of rebound injuries) or med conditions slide by physicals EVEN if the school will make money off've their talent... But the leader in this was Wyeth Pharm. that now had to show whether or not Inderal and exertion played major components in sudden Coronary Death Syndrome in healthy enough individuals to play competitive collegiate sports very well.  Third party vendors of Propranolol (the generic) were also keeping an eye out..  

Once fingers are pointed at a popular source of revenue for the pharm businesses, it's no holds barred scrutiny !

Despite the talent of this musician, by mentioning a drug he was taking as being questionable as a source of his untimely death due to insanity, he'll never have privacy until all is said and determined.  His bassist, and gf mentioning "Chantix Dreams" as perceived behaviour is going to drag him thru scrutiny.

BUt personally, I now wish to hear his work.  I'm not family with his upfront musical material, just Edie Breckell stuff... He was supposedly a genius of a musician.. and THAT is what I find sad... He was also shot by another recording artist... Weird stuff.

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It scares me how much there is still to learn about the human body. We just had another sudden death happen a few days ago. The state has passed a law that fibrillators will be present at all sporting events.

I don't remember if the young man (Highschool age) was playing a game or practicing. This happens a lot in the summer time. He may or may not have also been taking performance enhancing drugs. For me the heat would be enough and I used to spend all day in the summer heat when I was younger.

Steroid use is known to damage the heart muscle too.

There are other reasons,  perhaps deformed heart, Long Q, T syndrome not detected in a youngster that's not yet had the EKG, Marfan syndrome, virus as a youngster such as rhumatic fever that caused an ischemic heart, etc..  Tragic when it happens..  It does happen. Scary as all hell for classmates exposed to it too of course.

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Should be a toxicology report any day now.  Takes about 3 weeks

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I wish they never took L-Tryptophan off the shelves.  That stuff knocked me out.  Better than a tranq

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Courtesy of Chuck.

He didn't think this was worth resurrecting however it was a discussion topic, I brought it up once again weeks back, and now there's some closure as to toxicology reports, but it really took quite some time.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... b4f40.html

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i also took that drug while in the hosp... i had some crazy dreams....i was talking to the nurse and in comes the doc and sits down so i start talking to him and ignoring the nurse....only thing is the doc. never walked in but the nurse was really there and she told me i just turned from talking to her to talking to an empty chair... scary,  when i got home i had them again i was thinking it was a sleeping pill i was taking little did i know....i thought it was a pill to help me thru the not smoking i didn't no it was for people that were still smoking....so i got off that quick...

i left out the dreams i had of steven...

Oh stop,  You're embarassing me <blush>


Chantrix is supposed to be one of those substances that does bring on vivid dreams.. Those types meds scare me because IMHO nothing is much worse than a scary vivid dream.. My dreams tend to be somewhat scary to begin with for the most part, last thing I'd want is for them to seem even more realistic

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His blood alcohol was at .29 which is nearly four times the legal limit for driving.

This was taken from the article and pretty much sums up what they believe was the cause.

only just getting back to reading this thread cos I am bored and have nothing better to do and reading back I see kappy is doubting my word...well doctor kaplan, for whatever reason the idiot that was seeing me to cure my needle phobia gave me the drug in the hope that it would be a calming influence...it wasnt.
But cast aspersions in my direction all you like kappy, anyone who knows me would tell you I dont need to make up stories and in fact abhor liars

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Prozac can have an agitating affect on many, and initialy does for most..


btw..  I'm not only a Doc... I'm also a client ON PROZAC  :shock:  For MANY it has a calming affect after you get over the intial period, and GI stuff.. Some do better on other SSRI's..  I don't know why this guy didn't just prescribe a benzodiazepine tranq PRN for when and if you need an injection... Prozac isn't appropriate for THAT type phobic desensitization.  It makes no sense... Fear of injections isn't OCD.. It's specific, and you'd have even done better on an as needed Tricyclic such as Doxepin (Sinequan) which initially has quite a sedating affect

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