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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm 
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I'm completely new to actually hosting a show. I do go to Karaoke and sing a few nights a week and I thought I like this so much why not start hosting. So my questions are:

If I want to use my laptop like I see so many of the local hosts doing what else do I need to get started. If I invest I want to invest in equipment once, obviously not the replacable stuff like mics, but I would like to get the best bang for my buck. I am not opposed to buying good equipment so if anyone has a good setup in mind I need some help with components.

Secondly I need to know what is the best software to run for a player. I dont care about creating my own songs just a good player. I actually saw a player one of our local guys had that showed the rotation of the singers he would enter them in so it showed who was next. I like that but cant figure out which software it is.

Lastly and this is equipment again Good mics both corded and cordless. again im not opposed to spending some money for sound quality.

I know this is a lot, and I thank anyone responding.

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Lazer @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm wrote:
I'm completely new to actually hosting a show. I do go to Karaoke and sing a few nights a week and I thought I like this so much why not start hosting. So my questions are:

If I want to use my laptop like I see so many of the local hosts doing what else do I need to get started. If I invest I want to invest in equipment once, obviously not the replacable stuff like mics, but I would like to get the best bang for my buck. I am not opposed to buying good equipment so if anyone has a good setup in mind I need some help with components.


Laptop needs to have extended desktop capability.  Good sound card preferred.  CDG capable cd/dvd player.  More memory is always good.  Most likely you'll want a good sized external hard drive - you can actually use an internal & get an external case to run through the USB - cheaper.  
Want to invest in equipment once - well this one is tough & completely subject to opinion.  What I may consider crap, someone else may claim it's the best thing since sliced bread.  I've seen hosts using their 8" home speakers with 100 watt (max) mixer amp & thought they were the greatest sounding system in the state, while other hosts won't use a system that don't have a minimum 1 sub involved.  Best bang for the buck is also a subjective term - good sound isn't cheap, but then you can achieve a decent sound on a minimal budget.  Like one here just found out,  he had 3 cheap mixers - they sound decent, but not reliable (all died to a point of not useable) - but hey they're cheap!  After 3 of them he finally got a NICE mixer that cost a little more & the sound is better & will be more reliable (at least better customer service) in the long run.  
I always try to envision the biggest room I will be playing in & will set up my system initially for that room - so yes I have 2 subs & 2 different sets of main speakers with a tri-amp configuration.  I am set for just about any size room plus outdoor shows.  As far as budget this is sometimes funny as well, I hear people stating money is not an issue so you recommend something that is actually relatively reasonable & they say it's too much.  Have a starting budget before you start will actually give us an idea of where you want to go I guess you could say.

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Secondly I need to know what is the best software to run for a player. I dont care about creating my own songs just a good player. I actually saw a player one of our local guys had that showed the rotation of the singers he would enter them in so it showed who was next. I like that but cant figure out which software it is.


Again, very subjective, there are several out, some have cool features but are resource hogs (less reliable), some are more plain forward, some you have to have a separate program to rip the music into the hosting program.  What some love, others hate.  There is no best, just what works for you & your needs.  I prefer MTU Hoster, easy to use, sounds great, words look great.

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Lastly and this is equipment again Good mics both corded and cordless. again im not opposed to spending some money for sound quality.

I know this is a lot, and I thank anyone responding.

~Lazer


Corded mics I use nothing but corded Shure SM58.  You can get cheaper that may sound ok or close, but the reliability isn't there.  I've been running the same 3 mics since 94 & they still sound as good as day one and they've been dropped, swung, flung, slammed - I do change the mesh screen once or twice a year to make them continue looking good.  I actually finally had to replace 1 mic due to the place where the mic clips into the barrel on the XLR wore out & don't hold the cord anymore - still sounds good & will move into a place where a stationary mic can be used.
Wireless mics I personally don't use for shows - good ones aren't cheap & have YET to hear a decent sounding cheap one (under $300).
I know some that get cheaper mics & are replacing them every year or so due to drops - they have far outspent over time what I had on 3 mics initially.

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Since I already have a completely decked out laptop along with a 350GIG external USB drive for it I think I'm set on that part of the hardware.

Is $5,000 enough to get started with? That's about what I'm figuring I can start on spending. So if you can reccommend something with that price tag around it for hardware it would help me.  I hate just walking into a music store and ask what they reccommend because it always tends to be what they are trying to push that month. I like to do my research ahead of time.

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$5k is a great starting budget for the PA & a decent starting core of music.  How much experience do you have on equipment - mixers, eq's, effects, etc.?  If it's all new to you, you may want to try to start reading up on PA gear (learn anything & everything then when you know it all, re read & learn again because you'll never know it all - we got people here with YEARS of experience and we are always asking questions about something new or new techniques or ?? - myself included) or see if you can establish a relationship with some local companies to see if you can work for them for a while to gain some experience in both actual hosting/rotation management/equipment knowledge/gaining an ear for sound/etc....  
You may find you like singing better than actually hosting a show since it can be work many nights - you don't want to invest all your hard cash just to find out hosting isn't what you really thought it was because chances are (unless you want to keep it for home use), you'll never get back trying to sell than what you initially laid out for the system.
If you are getting into hosting because you love to sing, that's not what it's about, a good host won't sing very often during a night.

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Actually I bought a ton of music at this guy getting out of the business, about 25,000 songs worth so I'm set there and can use my budget for the hardware.

I know a little about mixers and Eq's not much about effects. I want to get into this because I just enjoy the shows. If I'm going to sing it would never be on a night I would host, other then to start it out if no one comes up.


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Lazer @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:37 pm wrote:
Actually I bought a ton of music at this guy getting out of the business, about 25,000 songs worth so I'm set there and can use my budget for the hardware.


Hopefully you got all the original discs otherwise they would be completely illegal to use in a show.  Just a heads up.

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I know a little about mixers and Eq's not much about effects. I want to get into this because I just enjoy the shows. If I'm going to sing it would never be on a night I would host, other then to start it out if no one comes up.


Good attitude to start with!  Wish more hosts would think like that.

Onto some recommendations.

I'll throw some out - check them out.  Others will throw in their likes as well.

Mixer - Mackie CFX12.  Great board overall, has built in effects, basic 9 band eq, has sends for external effects & monitors as well.  2 stereo channels.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=634273

Mics - SM58 corded
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=270101

Speakers - This is just one way.  B-52 Matrix 2000
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=602072
Self powered 3 way system providing 2 12" 2 way tops along with an 18" sub.  600 watts for the tops & 600 watts for the sub.  This is portable enough to go into almost any club but powerful enough to still pack a punch!
One of our members bought the matrix 1000 for his home use & loves it!
There are advantages & disadvantages to using powered speakers but i'm not going to go into them all now.

Items not immediately needed but something to consider.
Compressor - dbx 266XL (helps keep louder vocals in check without having to 'ride the fader' on the mixer.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=183515

EQ - dbz 231 (definately good for tuning different rooms to your system)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=183527

External effects - Lexicon MP200 (nice to have multi effects at times - but most cases not needed)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=181014

Floor monitor (useful in most situations where your main speaker placement can't accomodate to allow for the singer to hear them - Would just get a powered speaker like the JBL EON15 or something to the likes with a separate eq for the monitor like the dbx 131.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:38 am 
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Well thank you very much.  This is ideed helpful and I will be researching all of these components fully.

Oh and the discs mostly all original I think there are a handful with some odd songs on them that look like they are burrned but thats like less than 10 out of a ridiculous amount. Again thanks for the help.


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