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Me too. That tax is also on chewing tobacco as well as ciggies..... and my hubby spends easily $225 a month on Copenhagen.

There ya go, everyone start chewing it rather than smoking it. After all, nobody is gonna spit in someone else's face.

(unless, you count that one time.... but she asked for it)  


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People who over eat in front of me make me sick...but don't cause me any physical harm to speak of. They may be obesed for a number of reasons, the least being medical.  However, not the same for a smoker, they directly affect my health and well being. The smokers cost us non smokers money everyday. I haven't heard of any obest people laying in hospital wards rotting away from over eating. It's usually a heart attack fast and quick.  But smokers in cancer wards are rotting away with lung cancer from smoking day after day after day, with no health care to pay for it. Who pays for these peoples care untill death? it sure isn't the tobacco companies, they could care less. It comes out of everyones pocket. So don't think an obest person is as bad as a smoker, not even close. And as far as the tax on cigarettes goes. None of the tax in my state from smokes, off set my fuel cost in any way shape or form. So if a person wants to over eat, as long as they don't sit on me, i could care less, and a smoker can smoke in front of me to, as long as they don't blow the smoke out, and the cigarette is covered.  :D  :D

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Charmin,that wasn't a you specific question?  What is to stop anybody from opening a non-smoking venue?  If there was actually a great demand for it, the majority of bars would be non-smoking.  Think of it, by rights if there are 70% non-smokers out there there should be a majority of bars already non-smoking to get the billions of dollars of revenue out there.  But there are not why?  I know many non-smoking owners, yet given their preference, the establishments would be smoking.  Show me any illogic of any of these statements.   Put two venues close to each other, offer the same things, make one smoking and the other non-smoking, which one do you think will have better numbers.


Charmin, remember chewing tobacco has its warning labels to about health.  I could see you now complaining about all that chaw spit on the floors. .

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I re-iterate.......I've never been a smoker, but I agree with it being the owners call..........non-smokers have only themselves to blame for not supporting venues that have tried the non-smoking route in the past

The simple fact of the matter is this. People on this forum are free to give opinions on the matter. In real life we no longer have that choice. I do not want some government entity making choices for me. Little by little they are taking your choices away. Whats next? bear in mind that the average automobile puts out 50-100 gallons of crap in one minute. I can stand on a street corner with a headache from the exhaust but by god I'm protected from the smokers... It is a smoke screen that once again puts blame on others and dodges real issues due to millionares wanting to protect their interests.


One of the most rediculous things Ive ever seen there was a law you couldnt smoke within 100 feet of a gas pump. Now they cant smoke inside so guess where they are smoking now Outside by the gas pumps..

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Here in California we've had non-smoking laws in restaurants for over ten years. Then about five years later (give or take), the bars followed suit. It was awesome. Now I could go to a bar and not wake up all congested with red and swollen eyes. It took about a year for all the smokers to comply, as was reported by the news. The bar owners and patrons were being caught by the "smokers police" and being fined. The bars suffered about the first year but now you'd never know there was ever an issue. They just go outside to smoke, but you certainly won't find me "following" them just to be entertained. I have lots of non-smoking, fun friends who stay inside and keep me laughing.

I take heart in the fact all states will eventually become non-smoking states, even Nevada...

We recently went to a karaoke bar/steak house in Las Vegas. We were told we could sit in the bar and order from the menu from several people who had done that in the past. We went good and hungry and when we tried to order, we were told no food of any kind was served in the bar portion. We later found out that if food is served, no smoking is allowed. It was a bummer we couldn't eat while enjoying the karaoke, but that was a sign to me that the non-smoking laws would find their ways into the bars and casinos there.  :oh yeah: Woo-hoo!!!

Smoking or non, I love karaoke and I'll endure what I have to to hear and be heard.

Just my 2 cents.

Years ago we forded a fiord into Stockholm Sweden At that time they had the highest suicide rate in the world As tourists we soon leaned If you eat you cant drink if you dance you cant drink if you drink you cant board any boats in the canals. One of the major killers of teens right now is suicide. When it becomes easier to get pot or meth then this country is hurting. You social engineers have to meddle meddle meddle and you dont have a clue what this country was founded upon or what freedoms or human rights is all about. So just go ahead So go ahead protect me!!!!I am totally helpless and dont have the judgment that god gave a goose. Us folks out in real rural America wonder what planet you folks were born on. But you want to move out here and tell uis how to live and what to think.. I got 2 words for you ..........

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Ok Ollie is sitting here drinking beer and getting carried away again This a voluntary 86 of any further posts and will try very hard

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I'll say a few things about smoking, smokers, and establishments, then sit around and watch the responses...

I smoke. Have for 35+ years. Not for long, though - taxes are going up here 50 cents.

I have never smoked in my house, nor in a restaurant. Or in my wifes car. Or in a place of employment for over 20 years. I go outside. Which here in Indiana can be -20 degrees in the winter. However, I have never been in a bar and NOT smoked.

It is MY OPINION that every single one of us smokers DO NOT enjoy smoking. Oh sure, we all SAY we like smoking, but if they came out with a pill, that would allow us to wake up tomorrow without a SINGLE craving or thought about smoking, we would gladly take it. Its quite apparent to me, that the nastiness of smoking is nothing, compared to the effects of NOT smoking.

It's evidenced in the fact that very, very few, if ANY people start smoking if they haven't started by the age of, say, 25. Ask ANY smoker you know at what age they started, and I'll bet a week in Aruba, that it was before the age of 20. If you have managed not to smoke by 20 or so, chances are very slim that you would even consider smoking. Smoking is the worst thing I have EVER done in my life - and I've done a LOT of bad things. But of all those bad things, smoking is the only one I still do daily. I have had a heart attack at 53, and I'm sure smoking contributed greatly to it. I have cut down, and as I said, I am now on a cessation program, and hope I have the guts and courage to be smoke-free by July 1st, when the taxes go into effect. There's also a smoking ban at all indoor public places on the West side of town, going into effect the same day. I hope it's enough.

Now, to the establishments, I truly think it should be up to the owners. I feel for the owner, who smokes, and has spent years building a business, and now can't smoke there. But, by the same token, if businesses truly grow under a smoke-free environment, the owner should go smoke free, to keep his business thriving. I just have a problem with the gov't telling EVERYone what to do. They tried it with alcohol years ago, and look how that went over. Sure, smoking kills smokers, and takes a few non-smokers with them. But booze by far kills more "innocent" people, and it's perfectly legal, and I don't see anyone trying to stop drinking in bars...

I think that smoking will eventually be the demise of smokers. As they say, cancer cures smoking...one way or the other.

Sorry so long...

R

Some of you aren't going to like this....but Bars, taverns, etc. are private property and no one should be able to tell the owner whether or not to allow smoking.  Recently, Lincoln, NE went smoke free.  Several bars went under in the first year.  It's a shame that the need for the "public" to be "protected" overrides common sense and personal responsibility.  If you don't like smoke, DON'T GO THERE.  No matter what any of you say, you have the choice.  Come over to my house or my office and try to tell me not to smoke.  I'll tell you to hit the door.  I quit KJ'ing in Lincoln and stick to the small town that I live in.  I have three shows a week and anyone can come in there and puff away, and if others don't like it they can go away.  I'll be laughing when all of the smoking Nazi (KJ's) are selling their equipment on Ebay when their business tanks because of local and state governments take away your income source.  I do respect your opinions, but no one should be able to tell a bar owner what to do with their property.

They are private property that are govern, by the laws passed by the people. They are private property that must obey all rules, and laws that are passed and in place. What type of community would it be if all of us just decide that since our homes are private property we can do as we please in them? nope...that theory doesn't fly.

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I would much rather go to a non-smoking bar.  In fact, I gave up going to bars just because I couldn't deal with the smoke.  It was really intense at the last place I went.  I realize I'm in the minority, so I just content myself with online karaoke these days.  If there was a non-smoking karaoke place, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

If you don't want to follow the rules (smoking), then open up a club, not a public business.

I can't stand smoking, but I am a reasonable person.  Smoking is a special case, because it affects others health and well-being, and most non-smokers are disgusted by the smell.  You can eat something really bad for you right in front of me, but that won't bother me! I can look away, I don't have to sniff something that is harmful to my health and smells disgusting. But smoking is different, I stopped going out to bars for a good while until they went non-smoking in some areas.  People can go outside and smoke, but when your a non-smoker you can't get away from it.

Most smokers didn't care about me until they made a law forcing them to go outside to smoke; but now these laws have made it possible for me to go out and have a good time again without dredding smelling nasty and possibly taking a few years off my life for something I wasn't even doing.

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Having a private club doesn't work.  They just include them in the non-smoking regs.

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I've never smoked, but I believe it should be up to the business. I love smokers, and I think smoking should be encouraged as wonderful for everyone. Man has no natural predators, and smoking is vital in keeping the population in our country under control. A massive campagne to get adults to smoke in the U.S., could be the answer to the Social Security, and Medicare problems. Also, the tax on tobacco really helps pay for many of the pork barrel projects we don't need, and people like me would have to pay for them, if it wasn't for my beloved smoking friends.
4 out of 5 adults in the US don't smoke.....you complain about smoking when you go out, but when a non-smoking place opens up, it ends up closing, because you non- smokers are too busy raising cane over at the smoking venues to go there....I guess that's why....if people want to shorten their lives, and spend there last 10 years of it hooked up to an oxygen bottle, it is their right.....I am not my brothers keeper.....and it only means more for me. Did you know smoking is the #1 cause of impotence......like I said...more for me...... .......I hope you understand, this is my feeble attempt at reverse phsycology........