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Well, in case your good conscience decides it WAS... I quoted it too. (cause trust me... I don't have much of a conscience, only on occasion) I personally have come to hate the edit button, and until you just pasted that part... I had not read it. It makes the posts immediately following make more sense, IMO.

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Thanks Charmin. My conscience is now at peace <wink>.

Twas my pleasure, ma'am.....  :D

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Aw tinker mom & bluestaned shoes...I can tell you are BOTH just troublemakers  :reddevil:  :wink: My sisters!

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While the terms "Tip" and "Bribe" are too often used interchangeably, the nature of these two types of payment are different.  Tip is for good services performed, usually exchanged after an act, and doesn't (by immediate nature) have strings attached, or expectations in exchange for money rendered. Usually a tip will be given EVEN assuming a person likely will not be returning to the venue where the tipping party leaves the tip,  A tip is meant as "Thank you" for good service performed, bribing is different in it's intent.  "Brain in head" also isn't the greatest choice of wording because assuming a person wishes to implicitly adhere to a certain code of ethics this is NOT to be viewed as "foolish" or "negative" in a general sense.

Many can be bought, but others will turn down large sums out've principle to convey a message that, "my rotation rules are firm and I won't be bought", does that make them foolish ?  Nope.  It means they refuse to succumb to "a bribe".

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Nooooo.....

I'm not a troublemaker. I don't go looking for trouble, though it does generally seem to find me. I'm just a person who speaks what I think most of the time.

I happen to not agree with quite a few of the things you said. But as others were pointing them out and pretty much saying what I would have said, I just sat back to watch the conversation. No need for me to repeat them.

You didn't start your thread out with a "Hey, here's how I do things... what about you guys and gals?..."  You started a thread with "Here is how to do it- PERIOD- and any other way is the wrong way, like it or lump it" type of attitude.

As Tink pointed out, people here are great- the knowledge amongst members here about karaoke and equipment and running a good karaoke show- is literally unlimited. There's always a difference of opinion, cause as Babs pointed out, every show is different. This is a community... and a very tight knit community, I might add. Offering suggestions and/or opinions is always greatly appreciated..... trying to  "lay down the law"... not so much;)

And I fully agreed with Tink. If you have the guts to say something in a forum this populated, then stand by it... don't edit it. It's not fair to those who responded, and not fair to those who come along later to read.

So does having those opinions make me a troublemaker?  :no:

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Paula you will fit right in here...but stick to yer guns girl...when I first arrived here I sat n watched Charm take it to the purists and it was her sassiness that made me decide to stick about...cos realistically debates about the legalities of this that n the other make me wanna go watch paint dry.
Tis the personalities that make me wanna stick around
EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

... you still on that Steve? I took it out.. you are correct it was NOT well thought out and after reading the responses I made appropriate changes. YOu made the most valid point when you pointed out the distinction between KJs and musicians frame of mind and what is acceptable...as mOrgan said. I may have been a KJ but I am a MUCH better musician/singer. I got away with many things KJing because I was at the time ALSO a very well known SINGER in the area. I edited the post to be a little more general because I didn't intend for it to be controversial- I meant for it to be educational on both sides of the fence. I also admit FREELY that I may have been remiss in accepting large "Bribes" to sing. But-as a "singer" that is how I was attempting to make my living- and anyone will tell  you that making ends meet when you're breaking into the entertainment industry isn't easy. The biggest problem was in that as you said a "tip" is a thank you and implies no strings...a Bribe is another thing altogether. What I did was-in my mind neither of those -I was accepting PAYMENT for the service of singing a song. They were willing to pay me what equated to an additional paycheck to hear it. MY Boss encouraged me to sing because I WAS a professional vocalist-thus the majority of the crowd viewed it as a special treat for me to perform for them "free" so to say. And that is a completely ego FREE remark. I also need to stress just how RARE it was for me to actually SING at a show I ws KJing. I'd say one in 4 shows and even then only 1 song. People would frequently turn in slips with MY name on them. And I would say  "I am here to KJ and run this show so YOU can sing- I am not being PAID to SING" Thats why I was so blatant about accepting the money when I DID sing. otherwise some of those people would have tried to turn it into a free Paula concert and that wasn't going to happen.(wink- the KJ pay wasn't good enough!)   I also acknowledge that it is rare that a professional vocalist will be KJing a show. That is why I took those parts out. (then tinkermom and bluestainedshoes had to go stir up trouble ) I meant for the post to get some points across to both karaoke singers and to KJs to make Karaoking a more enjoyable pasttime for anyone who read the post. The only reason I am ON this site is to promote Karaoke- read my profile. I am dissappointed that a few parts of the post have been concentrated on so heavily and the rest of it- which is valid- is being ignored.

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"take it to the purists".....??



Vicki, are you saying Charm is a big mouth?

Nah, I just have my own method of sticking to my guns.

But ya see my point? Two quiet little posts... (or was it three?).... and I am tabbed the troublemaker.

And I thought I was being the peace keeper.  :no:

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

to bluestained shoes..I agree with your law versus opinion suggestion and you are 100% correct. I am a newbie here and posted without thinking through what and how I was posting.

But the part about editing I disagree with you on. The whole point of the initial post was to bring up some issues that singers and KJs seem to have universal problems with...and to make them better- and in the process make the shows they are involved in better. Whle I don't mind controversy(and seem to cause it where ever I am) I DO mind when the rationale behind my taking the time to write that LONG post has been overlooked because of the debates it caused.

I am also the first one to admit that when I am wrong I am wrong. I posted without thinking it through and there WERE several things that were true to me because of my unusual circumstances- but WOULD NOT be beneficial to **most** KJ's. I took them out because I want this post to HELP. Many people on here brought up some additional information that made me feel that the post was not worded appropriately enough to accomplish what I set out to do. So I revised it- just like a book would be revised if mistakes were discovered.

I don't want to come across as a know it all because I don't. But I have had some very unique experiences as a KJ. I ran two of the biggest shows in the southeast at the time, I was the host of a national karaoke show where the winners of local contests were flown in to my resort area as part of their prize to compete against 5 other local winners for the grand prize(God I'm getting old cuz I don't remember what that was!) Seems like it was a 2 week hawaii vacation and a 1,500 dollar karaoke system from Pioneer- who was the sponsor. As a singer I have won 6 national and international karaoke competitions. And now I am and have been a professional vocalist as my sole means for more than tha last decade. I'm trying to show that I DO have a fairly unique background to draw from. But by that same token- I have a skewed perception of what "normal" is- especially for a KJ, The parts I edited out were unique to me for the most part and would not be beneficial to anyone reading them. That is why I removed them. I was not backing down. My only regret is not considering my reading audience better when I initially wrote the article. I did err in including some of the information...and I SHOULD have said..."hey this is just the way I do it" and not stated it as law. I learned a valuable lesson and hopefully can take that and write some better posts in the future.

Thanks for taking such an interest! Oh...I was KIDDING about Tink & you being trouble makers. THAT part was affectionate.!

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I just realize little is carved in stone.  Different ways,  different strokes.  I never look at any of this type service as prone to all/none behaviour.  Sort've "It depends".  Bottomline IMHO is what makes the customer, venue, and in my day when possible me reasonably happy.  All depends... All I can say, no set laws regarding this stuff.. I think an important aspect of the general performer who plays different type venues is flexibility, being able to adapt to different ways.. At least that's how it was for me,  I can't speak for KJ's.

Interesting discussion.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

well I went and TRIED to! -Paula  :withstupid: BTW...what does BANNED mean on your posting status??

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Don't worry about the editing.  Heck,  I've redefined essays going back !  Now I try not to but  often can't help myself... It's a feature that's offered, so sue me when I feel compelled to use it  LOL

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

still didn't say what the heck "Banned" means

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Oh,  Simply put I've been kicked out've here for bad behaviour.  I'm not allowed to read or post in here !

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

uhuh I am saying dont ever change or conform cos if ya do I am out

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

People have gotten banned here before.... simply for being "troublemakers" in the forums;)

We've had some rude and obnoxious people who have went around belittling others, name calling, and other junk as well. Differing opinions is one thing- being flat out rude and disrespectful is another. When they get banned... their posts remain, except under their profile it says "currently banned".

You also can buy a title. Steven made a funny by making his read "Banned". As you can see.... he's still up and running around here. (full throttle)

As to editing.. well, heck, everyone here knows I'd NEVER do that.  :D

http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... sing+hopes

Scroll a few pages of THAT thread... see, if I'm such a troublemaker, would I allow you a chance to laugh at me like this?  LOL

My point was... you said what you thought to be a fair and accurate way to run karaoke. Stand by it. Wether we all agree is neither here nor there.  But changing or deleting complete paragraphs... will make you look like you're backtracking. That's all. We don't have to all agree.

I do think you're acting as if folks here are "new" to being KJ's. When in fact the opposite is true. There are many who have been at it for years, and have also been professionals in some form of music, some who still are- though most whom I know of don't speak of it publicly very often... But again, it's a great SHARING community. People will appreciate if you share what you have learned with experience, or hell- even if you guess at an opinion on something, as you have a right to. But treating people here as if you know more than they do and that your opinion should be heeded... is just going to start you off on the wrong foot.

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Hadn't planned on changing anytime soon, Lol... for better or for worse, what ya see is what you get with me... smart azz and all.  

Now I gotta get ready and head out the door to meet some friends at karaoke.

Have a good rest of the evening everyone.

And don't anyone be....... causing any trouble:)

TINK... If you're still around, I hope the pics worked, maybe I'll see one on your avatar tomorrow? You people are in for a surprise, that gal is a *knockout*.

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♥ Laugh your heart out, dance in the rain. Cherish the memories, ignore the pain. Love and learn, forget and forgive. Because you only have one life to live. ♥

Thanks Bluestainedshoes! I sincerely did NOT mean to infer that I knew more that anyone. I was just trying to bring some points up that seem to be universal sticking issues on both sides - for the other side to think about. I guess I did come across rather um...female canine-y (wink) Wasn't intentional..Hey just for my own info...was there ANYONE that has read all this that thought it was beneficial or did I waste my time??  :?

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Yes, I'm still around. Just took a time-out to hear all about the Transformers movie from my hubby and son. Apparently it was the coolest movie, EVER.

And thanks, Charm! She was kind enough to help a doofus upload a simple pic. You're the bomb!!

And knock-out? Well, these days, I'll take any compliment I can get. (BTW, you should be receiving the money that I'm not paying you for the compliment through PayPal so check your account )

If being a troublemaker is wrong, I don't want to be right.

And one more thing...Paula, it's all good. Everyone loves a controversial character. You make the world a more colorful place to be in.