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Hello from Ohio to everyone!

I've been thinking about buying either an RSQ or JVC brand karaoke player, such as the single disk models (XL-SV22BK or SV-222). Does anyone know if there are any particular problems with them or are they pretty solid units?

I am aware that they are no longer in production however it appears that the replacements are not looked upon as being made as well as these were. At least that is the opinion I get from surfing the internet.

At this time I am only concerned with using CD+G cds since that is all that I own. I can find these units on the internet new for around $200 with free shipping but I am considering buying a used one if the price is right. Anyone know of any used ones available?

I just want one to practice songs with at home.

Thanks, Curt

they're very reliable!

I have two of the gold triple tray JVC models, and a singletray rsq505 dvd player.

LOVE 'em! And it chaps my buttsky that they were discontinued. I absolutely hate the NEO ones.

If you can still find one at that price - GET IT!

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I wonder why they are discontinuing their better (or at least preferred) line ?

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The initial msrp of electronics products is high to absorb the cost of engineering, establishing quality control, training for assembly and testing. In this case the demand has fallen rapidly..In answer to your question...  Home market and cost effectiveness.

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I have an RSQ (triple tray tho) that I got for home only use... and I love it. It's perfect for what I wanted it for.

If I were to buy another, I'm pretty sure I'd look for one of the same.

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RSQ  MV-333 triple tray here - I highly recommend it. I think vintage player is the way to go.  :hi5:

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The production cost of the discontinued better RSQ/JVC models was considerably lower ?  Even assuming that to be the case, WHY would these companies not manufacture these (better quality items or preferred) items -pricing them higher  and changing their model numbers) unless costs were substantially higher and not recoupable on cost/demand market which I doubt would be the case. Or is the production of these less preferred Karaoke players just a new-wave of planned obsolescence (by companies that project a VERY different item to sell consumers shortly as media form changes ?)    

There are still many commercial KJ's that wish for these items, correct ?  and similarly home users that would like them as well due to word of mouth reputation.   I don't follow the logic as to how the complete abrupt discontinuation of a series of decent quality items benefits manufacturers when there's consumer demand.  Theory of Cost and demand could still benefit the electronics markets. I would think some competitor would pick up the concept discontinued by JVC.  This in essence seems to be electronics market manufacturers cutting their own noses to spite their face.  Unless of course the cost of production was disproportionally high. It might've been, I don't know.

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the whole point is karaoke is a niche market, Steven. We may not think it is, but I assure you, karaoke players constitute a fraction of the cd and dvd type players sold.

So they discontinued one type to bring in their own format (NEO) for RSQ. And I believe JVC got out of the market altogether.

Doesn't help matters when the karaoke manufacturers themselves change the rules and make cdgs that don't play in dvd players at all (the mediacloq fiasco). The RSQ505 I still have is an OLDER model that can't play those discs... RSQ had to put out another updated model that had an updated chip that understood what the mediacloq format was...

That does make sense Matt.  If a niche market constitutes a low enough percentage of a companies overall revenue allowing them such play, considering there's relatively little competition that poses a threat I suppose they can in essence have it both ways  (by attempting to control the market).  They haven't dropped out of it, would you say it's fair to state that they are manipulating an area of a market that they are still big sellers in ?


I suppose removing the term "obsolescence" from my thoughts last post would follow my line of thought regarding controlling a market area



Companies do of course (whenever possible) hope to take control a market they are a big name in.

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kAPPY it was the  same with 45'S 33 1/3 8 tracks cassette tapes etc... As each phased out the majors evolved into something else and quality went to hell then gradually that medium was no longer availible.

My previous post was educated guesses but I have been to RCA Zenith etc factory schools and have worked in different factories so I am not too far off. And in this disposable world it is even harder to guess wats going on..

I will give you one example Co a buys 50,000 lots of a certain chip Grade A at a nickle apiece The testers and re work lines have little to do.. After sale the failure rate is 5% in the first year but hardly ever during warranty. A competitor is buying grade c (higher failure rate) at a penny apiece Even with replacing a bunch in the factory and honoring warranties in the short run it is economically feasible. However with poor customer or tech support and failures in the field business suffers. Need I mention some brands that apply to us?  

Now when the major companies discontinue we are left with grade C..

However a couple of times we have used a super cheapie home karaoke player to play cd's when a customer brought one in. The audio and video when played into a good system is hardly any different than a JVC.

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I was basing my original thoughts on these very examples Ollie,  the above examples you gave didn't phase out quickly AT ALL !  For instance, tube technology and other analog formats existed for quite some time after the advent of transistor and digital.   In most cases while the newer format came into existence there was a several year overlap.  45's and 33's both existed together for close to a decade prior to phasing out 45's.  vinyl and 8 track similarly existed simultaneously for several years, as did regular cassette, 8-track and 33 format. Turntables were sold for many years even though tape format was gaining popularity. Reel to Reel, 8 MM and Super 8 MM tape formats all existed side by side most of the 60's to early 70's.

I suppose the period of overlap did decrease somewhat progressively as technological advancements started accelerating during the mid to late 1980's however. Around the time that Beta took a backseat to VHS, and Laser disc become less prevalent as Pioneer got competition. CD format really took off, and when hardware started recording to CD format tape technology seemed to really fall-off in the mid-90's, and the Colorado computer tape backups were about the last we saw of the tape era as media for most consumer home purposes. Transition periods seemed to really start accelerating dramatically when CD knocked all other forms out.  

Seems that in a VERY short time the Pioneer drop-tray units became appreciated (and tougher to come by) for their quality even though they were somewhat limited in terms of format, the RSQ players mentioned just disappeared from the market. Seemed to happen almost overnight.

But in comparison way way back in time, regarding aforementioned media format and hardware trend shift.  Ten years after the switch to digital receivers, companies such as J&R electronics were blowing out Jolida or Dynaco and Eico tubers in the 90's at 85% off MSRP.
I really am kicking myself for not jumping at that because even though Dynaco was no great name in those days,  I sensed ANYTHING tube was a keeper when I saw that technology coming to an end !   Same with Heath, Lafayette, Realistic, Allied, National, Hallicrafters, Sansui,  you name it, that tube analog technology didn't leave us overnight !   The transition was slow and the stuff we SHOULD'VE grabbed... Makes me sick to think about it !

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Kappy I just got back from a gig and very tired !!! And I refuse to engage in a debate about evolution of of format shifts due to technological advances and the economical structures which were formed and evolved with the process

It is a very interesting topic however give me a nap and a few beers Sun morn and I might make some sense!!!

I have been in many professions but I have never been in one that was so affected by tech advances or complicated legalities For god's sake all Im doing is supplementing a social security income. Do I need 3 attorneys and spend $400 a month for music to do this? This is a very simple business it doesnt take rocket science or strict adherence to rules or antiquated laws. It does take public relations patience with drunks common sense and a small amount of small business experience...  LOL

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Most likely due to the fact that many kj's already have their main & backup units (if their smart) and don't go buying new 'commercial' units as often.  Also the price of some of the 'replacement' type units out their are considerably cheaper that 'home' users are looking at those for their hobby as they generally will work fine in a home type situtuation vs. pro use, that they are buying those more often than spending the extra to get a good quality machine.  Unfortunately for the pro kj, home use is becoming the new thing & more pro quality gear is going to become less available!

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Kind of like a Behringer mixer vs a Mackie or an Allen & Heath, they will all get the job done, only one has a higher failure rate! because of cheaper & lesser quality components!  A friend of mine that works at Guitar Center says their return ratios on Behringer is higher than anything else in the store.  

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Excellent point.



Right,  get some shut eye,  and have a good healthy breakfast !
(Ollies concept of "PC" is Pabst & Cheerios)

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Don't forget, too, that 50% or more of the market has disappeared as new KJs like me *start out* with digital and never use a player.

I am reluctantly in the process of switching over to the Holster System, because my 3 tray JVC gave up the ghost, and i can't replace it. Just no good players out there, and i have tried all of them and sent them all back. I do enjoy my CDG's.....i'll miss'em........

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the HOLSTER method scares a lot of people, as guns are very intimidating! heheheh

The HOSTER format (MTU owns the name HOSTER, so you can't apply that to other computerized playing formats without them getting into a tizzy) can be intimidating. There are some other ones such as winamp with the plugin that is just fine for home and pro use. clubdjpro also is great, as it doesn't really have the "hoster" format, with a rotation software.