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Very interesting. I wonder if there's different levels of the ADHD... as you're great when it comes to applications of math (ohm's law, etc.)...

I on the other hand was great with math, but horrible when it came to the sciences! Just about the exact opposite of you! !

There are,  but there are also different areas/levels and types of Math.  I aced Geometry, but flunked Algebra (less visual- more abstract) several times. The Math involved in Chemistry was even tough for my father (electrical and mechanical engineer) and it would be understandibly tough for those of us that have ADD (It's abstract. Requires steady focus and memorization) . Yet some think music is mathematical, and it is in certain ways but similarly music comp, and music theory were VERY tough for me -they are for most ( and I couldn't pass college level music composition and advanced music theory because THAT's friggin hard !) However when it comes to interval theory and geometric areas I'm decent in these areas, and the same with chess (also geometric or more visual).  Seems many that are great at Chess, and have debating skills suck at very abstract areas of math required for Algebra and even basic logic (yet some don't of course).. Geometry is a more visual area of math, and is very unlike Algebra (and what I found out in MY particular case about this was pretty funny or even pathetic depending on how you view this).

Around 10-15 years back a buddy of mine (Community college math prof ) didn't believe I truly would have a block or be currently psyched out making it tough for me to CURRENTLY understand areas of VERY BASIC elementary HS Algebra (Memories of Algebra and the basics required for quantitative science math are still brutally tough if not impossible for me) but this made little sense to him because he considered me to be quite logical/analytical (another paradox because I SUCK at basic logic which ALSO requires tremendous focus, computer programming just isn't something that'd be at all in my area of aptitude) and he couldn't understand how I could just listen to something on the radio, sit down and play what to many is considered a complex arrangement on keyboards or guitar (of course I didn't wish to give examples of how the brain of the Savante can work because it's a less than flattering analogy, but I learned this area of pattern recognition before I could even talk, it's a primary language to me so I don't think about it I suppose).  So this Math guy tried showing me basics, and I couldn't grasp them but it turned out NOT to be Algebra I was hurting at.. I NEVER learned basics such as Fractions, Decimal places, Multiplicative inverses, additive inverses and BASICS in elementary school math because of LD stuff that were undiagnosed, I just stared out the class window when all this crap was getting taught and what I'd forgotten was that I flunked this stuff too ! I thought it was boring as all hell.  So I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the problem wasn't that I couldn't grasp Algebra,  (It's that I couldn't grasp third grade math foundation principles either)    
(I wonder how much is that ADD and undiagnosed emotional stuff made it tough to grasp this so I hated it,  or I just hated it at that time?  Dunno) but the problem with areas like abstracts are if you miss out on ANY basic principle areas, you're screwed.. The Math engineers need to learn, and chemists (even physicists) need to learn is amazingly complex, and some have greater focus and ability to retain this stuff.  I was always gifted with being a lazy-a$$ed kid that had a knack for staring out the window watching the girls butts.  (Probably because this too is a more visual area, pattern recognition and stuff )

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I think a lot of the problem is that those of us that grew up in the 50's, 60's and even 70's (and depending on other factors even later) didn't have the advantages of school workers, clinicians, and the medical fields in general understanding areas such as types of hyperactivity, dyslexia, and issues that impeded our learning, and what's worse in those days MANY of us were punished for being unruly, lazy, stubborn, and general discipline problems when the problem wasn't our fault which just compounded this stuff.  I grew up feeling stupid as all hell for not grasping this stuff, but nobody understood the reasons why I couldn't or didn't.  Similarly many don't believe it when I tell them I can't read books.  I can't stay still long enough to focus on a few pages UNLESS something is damn fascinating to me.. Stormy mind, hyperactivity, etc..  In the 60's NOTHING was known about the slow hyperactive.  If a kid wasn't bouncing off the walls and needed practically to be duct-taped to the chair and put in a helmet, clinicians in those days thought the kid had other problems, and in many cases unfortuneately thought we were stupid little things, but they didn't understand that falling asleep, and what seemed like laziness was often ADHD, food allergys, hypoglycemia, and medical in cause..  In those days kids didn't have the benefits of todays psychological understanding, and of course what often goes overboard as "fad diagnosisis" too..  Turns out MANY of the most artistic, and talented kids (assuming you go by their grades in elementary school) were often the kids flunking, the kids that until you saw where their skills/ areas of ability existed later on in life, THESE kids were thought to be very slow mentally, and this type thought often was what made them "emotionally disturbed", not the other way around, boredom and tremendous energy in a kid is a lousy combo. Some of the kids were talented with no LD, extremely creative and intelligent but HATED what was often very dry, and poorly presented basics in eduction, meaning the teachers sometimes sucked, and few adults would be able to sit thru these hacks classes. BUT, Many of us had problems, AND were bored-shitless.  Kids that didn't do well weren't pulled out, homeschooled, or given attention in areas that often helped us.. Some stayed back a year or two, others got punished, and some of us ended up being musicians.

In a world that was perfect I suppose, they'd recognise those of us that hated school, showed ability in specific areas, and put us in an enviroment that nurtured our areas of ability. But aprenticeship was never a huge thing here in the US for young kids, and trade schools weren't something that were an option when I was really young. For those of us that liked certain things, and didn't like sports and what the school curriculum offered we were SOL

If a kid wasn't noticeably (black and blue) abused,  schools just thought we were all "kids" that had the same ability to learn assuming we weren't really stupid.  It was just that way in the 60's. Psychiatry, psychology, educational areas didn't know squat in those days.  ADHD wasn't recognised in me until I was in my 40's.  It was diagnosed by eye-movement and later some testing, turns out I always "took in too much" and got flooded with stimuli, and it finally makes sense why I fell asleep after drinking loads of coffee too, the paradoxical reaction to stimulants although now understood, never was when I was loading myself up with caffeine and other junk just to sit thru, and tolerate classes in HS.

Didn't intend on preaching, or getting into a dissertation on this stuff but my original question was because I always thought that those that are technical, and good with areas such as audio engineering, amp and speaker stuff in general WOULD in fact need to have an aptitude in the types of abstact math that I could never grasp. A LOT of this stuff IS physics ! and Object science.  Meaning (as Matt brought up) you need to understand stuff such as Ohms Law, and foundation principles in areas of electricity.  Electronics is not an easy area to grasp for many

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When you learn a singer you can compensate for a lot of weaknesses. All some require is bass or treble added or subtracted to the mic channel. I have one singer that does Johnny Cash With him Ill turn the bass on the strip to 2 p Ill put the mixer on reverse gate and the verb4 on 99 and time permitting on the chorus switch to 98 and turn the FX channel on the mixer up (it takes 2 fingers to decrease the the no FX strip and push up the FX strip to keep a constant level but with that combo I get a half slapback effect on the bass. Another option is when a singer is having trouble turn the FX send on the mic strip up and down on the music strip and boost the FX.


Another thing I do is run the verb4 into a nano compressor then thru a nano gate. That is one reason I can run more FX than most.

If I had my druthers I would be content to just sit there doing sound. My regulars know that if they walk up and I got my fingers on the desk dont even bother me I have spent literally months of actual time listening to headphones and applying FX to regular music both old and new. It is sometimes hard at live shows but gets easier with experince.

I wish I could go to one of Lonnies shows and tap his knowledge but it is one of those things that seperates the wannabes from the KJ's

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One of the first probs I had with the conversion from analog to digital FX was the  digital two-three button (does all) settings of a multitude of parameters and clicking to get into menus, it was no convenience IMO, it was a pain in the butt. At least for many multifx processors  (especially synth workstations) this was extremely time consuming and again in my own opinion was NOT a convenience, but a hinderance as opposed to the ease of nob turning where all functions had specific designated purposes such as volume, tone, EQ sliders, etc.

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There is a generation gap here I come from an age when 2 drunks would go out back and knock the S*** out of each other then go back in the bar sit there buying each other drinks and laughing about it. The the towns reiaized they could make a big issue out of it and make money. Then the lawyers got involved and passed assault and battery laws that required an expensive defense. Now you have generations that depend on this honest government and underpaid understaffed police deps for protection.

Kids cant defend themselves in school and now you have bombings and shootings in our schools. They are becoming like the schooled in other tribes they have no respect for life.

So what does all this have to do with these types of threads? I would like to see just one turn into "well what can we do to make it legal ?" If I have stepped on some super sensitive toes then I apologize.. And I admit I crossed some boundaries that maybe I shouldnt have.  When are we going to start solving our own problems and quit blaming others for our shortcomings?

As long as a forum such as this cant be used to cant be used to unite as a group and solve problems and  the trolls sit here and play with posters and create a schism this problem wont be solved in my lifetime. But in the the meantime I am going to conduct myself and run a par time business in way that satisfies my sense of honesty, will totally satisfy my inner karma I will do so And you people can sit here and argue all you want..

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I got into this in a few threads just based on what can only be my own opinion at this point. Keeping in mind that MOST Civil cases that are ONLY local Civil cases sit on the dockets in the Northeast an average of 18 months before even having a preliminary trial, AND given the advent of  a VERY fast changing technological time where NEWER technology is happening so fast (given the slower pace of legislating this type of situation regarding what is also a VERY specific area such as Karaoke for the use of the *SMALL* commercial KJ now-adays) I personally don't think most lawmakers can adapt (let alone understand) and adjust to each and every intricacy of  Tape--->CD-----HD---->CD-G---->HD downloaded from CD-G---->digital chip format shifts.  How can the facets of law that must all understand something and establish some federal ruling adjust to changes that are happening this fast ?  Civil cases are SLOW, often appealed, overturned, and by the time this Ebay woman gets to court, for all we know harddrive technology might be a little chip used and obsolete. Not that this will exonerate her from counterfeit charges, but when you break down CD-G, and what is going on, it's NOT just basic "music", there're graphics, and other areas  crossing into multiple type copyright holding that compound confusion as current law and licensing is written, to make ALL the adjustments in accordance with certain format changes is NOT a quick easy fix... by the time you legislate something today, it's obsolete. This stuff takes years to legislate from inception, to catching the *alleged* crooks (and I mean this hypothetically so lets not get our panties in a bunch), to the time all is said and done.. We aren't talking about SIMPLE licensing transition when it gets into modification of currently established and understood Copyright Laws, and the rights of original Copyright holders. Now you have numerous copyright holders on just one type of ever-shifting media.  

JMHO, I don't know

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Look at the intricacies of JUST the jukebox act.  It's no simple process, and even THAT is amended and added to but that ONLY takes into consideration limited types of usage.  Sometimes you can't simplify a process that is more involved than what meets OUR eye

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Kappy a few years ago I parted out an old mixer I couldnt toss the "springs" which added the 50's rock and was used in many studios for the effect'

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This too was resolved tacitly.  Our "inner sense of what should be legal" is subjective. There *IS* room for that but likely NOT in these forums, We do what we will do in our own homes and on our own property despite what we read in these rooms, but what is ILLEGAL remains ILLEGAL despite "our feelings". MY own *subjective* feelings aren't being damned, but they also aren't facts that can be substantiated in an international forum.  If my feelings are "It's OK to use a certain element of judgement", how can I explain how much judgement is reasonable and doesn't cross a line into blatant wrong-doing ? Similarly, if my opinions don't coincide with current laws AS written,  site TOS doesn't allow me to push them !

It seems just that simple to me.  While many might NOT be disagreeing with some of what you say, the law IS the law, and all ages, mentalities, and areas of ability read this..  It's never been said "you can't do what you want in the privacy of your own livingroom Ollie".   But what is said in an international BBoard is no longer the privacy of your own dwelling.  Constitutional or not, It's my understanding (again MY opinion on what I've read and been told) that we do NOT have constitutional rights to PUSH our opinions on each and every issue in privately owned chat venues.. and why ?  perhaps similarly, this might ALSO be an area where law-makers haven't caught up with the advent of Internet technology, but realistically, in your own home, you can kick a person out anytime you want, so why believe laws wouldn't perceive it as NON-democratic assuming they forced site administrators to allow free-for-alls in an individuals privately formed chat-venue (because TROLLS can even use the guise of "It's my constitutional right" to voice my opinion) too, right ? Regardless... What's illegal IS illegal and you, I might very well agree with you, but you nor I have a right to push change in these forums, unless it's allowable... To voice thoughts and leave them as thoughts, I guess if the mods allow it, yep.  Otherwise we can't, and while some CAN discuss things in amiccably, MANY don't.. These usually end up as grade school type food-fights !!

Very few (if any) in these forums debating this stuff are grounded in principles of Law, when small facts are interjected THESE get ignored. This is a Karaoke forum, not a Copyright law debate forum.  What happens is these debates aren't founded in factual principles, they are almost always emotion, passion, and usually JUST opinion disregarding "What is", and "What would need to transpire", because these are baseless rhetorical debates with no team of legal scholars to correct us when we go way off base..

Point being, assuming you or I think we have a plausable solution.  Without an actual qualified Copyright Atty in here to correct us when we are WAY off base, these are directionless arguments without facts being cited to substantiate perspective.

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Yeah Ollie,  I do love the older Hammond Spring reverb units that sound like a thunder storm each time you accidently bang the thing  Would Hammond-Suzuki still hold the patent for those ?

Was that reverb unit taken from an older Fender amp such as a Twin or Super Reverb ?  even a broken down Hammond Organ/Leslie cab ?  The exploited vintage market gets top dollar for the older Fender Reverberation units.

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I cant remember the brand It was transistor not tubes. I tried to tickle it with line level  LMAO Dont even phase it prob needs 5 or 10 watts to excite it.. Natural things and mother nature can not be replaced by man made imitations

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I cant remember the brand It was transistor not tubes. I tried to tickle it with line level  LMAO Dont even phase it prob needs 5 or 10 watts to excite it.. Natural things and mother nature can not be replaced by man made imitations

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If you going to get a vasectomy and you could get it down the street for $45 or the local clinic or hospital offered the same service for $2500 Where would you go? The legal advise which is jammed down my throat on this forum is nothing more than the $45 vasectomy. And it is an old vynall which has a crack and repeats itself time after time after time after time after time... And you wonder why I get carried away?

You sit here arguing back or white There are many shades of gray and when you become familiar with the truth you realize there are an infinate amount of colors.

This world right now is in the biggest dark ages ever It has certainly reverted back to to the tribal instincts of kill kill kill !!! And so polarised.

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For some reason Ollie, you aren't reading those of us that *ARE* in fact saying *GREY* exists, and you've been lashing at those agreeing with you (at least in part) which is what has ticked off so many !  If for no other reason than your presentation, MOST DO agree that life is Grey, and HAVE let this go, but you are lashing at ALL lately, and dragging others in to try to hose you off that WERE seeing things in GREY and agreeing that this is rediculous.  You just don't wish to read those that agree with you, and you are focusing on those that do see things in all/none terms, and that's not the majority of the choir !   The few that ARE All or none usually have issues of their own, or hidden agendas, you won't know.  MOST adults DO know life is grey and if something gets under our skin on the I-net, the best we can do if it's repetitive is IGNORE IT ! You're banging your head against a wall trying to show such polarized individuals (some arguing just for argument sake) Grey.  Black & White people often can't/won't see Grey, and if you try to say "You will see Grey", they will in turn get more obstinate and say ""There is no grey"; IF you are a teacher of life YOU SHOULD of all people know that when you try to insist "YOU WILL" to kids, the response will often be "I WILL NOT" !  AND,  a teacher doesn't beat their kids up, bloody their noses, break their fingers, or duct-tape them to the chair to teach them.  You know that too ! It's NOT the same world today, the "Duke it out in the playground scenerio" doesn't work today because values aren't what they were, and rather than fists, some kid pulls a gun...  ADAPT to what is,  not what YOU or I knew !  That is behind, it's no longer todays facts.. It's fantasy from a different time.  Like it or hate it, YOU aren't going to change it, and I said this very stuff to you two years ago !!!!   YOU need to adapt to what is, you aren't going to "bloody it's nose" without having an aneurism yourself !!

Can't you see how futile and babyish this gets arguing this stuff on the internet ?  How do you know that you aren't fighting with 9 year old kids ?  If they are 49 WHAT DIFFERENCE does it make ?  THEY don't have a clue what they are talking about either if for no other reason than they are speaking as to what is currently THEIR OWN facts (which are based on what actual knowledge of substantive law?)...

SOME are yanking your chain and watching you go bizerk over this, after-all YOU DID admit you are stirring the pot for discussion sake didn't you ?...Some don't know how to present themselves in these rooms, MANY lack maturity, and MOST don't know the first thing about laws in this area.  You don't need a HAM license to broadcast BS on the internation internet-waves... ANYBODY can be an expert assuming others dignify them as such.  Fact is you aren't really arguing with most, because most KNOW there's a huge amount of Grey area in life.  Nobody has EVER said your perspective and YOUR OWN life experience hasn't taught you what are YOUR individual facts in this world.  It's tough to teach younger folk stuff that we experienced in the real world, Why the heck are you ruminating about who won't listen to you in this type forum ??  It makes no sense.. NONE of us will teach others that don't wish to listen to our perspective... NOBODY is too effective on the Internet.. You outta know this by now.. Reason being out've a room of 100 folks,  90% are geniuses and millionaires with HUGE sexual organs on the Internet, you haven't learned THAT yet ???   Common,  you are blowing into a mountain and screaming cuz it won't budge..  Give it a rest !  

Look at it this way... If 80% are sick of the discussion, and chatting elsewhere, and YOU wish to watch and believe the 2% that redundantly say "**** isn't legal", and you believe the few that won't shut up about this are representative of the bulk of this place, you've got the problem.  It's YOU that obsesses about the few that might be totally fruity, young, or stepping on your feet to watch you screech in agony. It's YOU that becomes the Sunday KS matinee entertainment for the bored !!

Many that HAVE something legit to say, speak their peace, and let it go realizing that saying something twice is more effective than twice a day for a year !  Others that DO believe what they say, say it, and quit, they chat elsewhere about what they want to chat about because they are mature enough to know when things are going around and around and around, (and MOST if not all here ARE NOT Copyright Atty's), and ALL argument is lacking of foundation principles in law, this is plain BABYISH banter !.. How many times have I said this ???...  To jump in and argue with the few that won't let stuff go does WHAT good ?   (besides makes you ONE OF THEM)

If I wish to start a debate room on AOL special interest member formed areas, and 15 trolls join me,  who's the fool for debating ?   Think about it.

You're dignifying baseless debates.  Few cite examples as to what they are chatting about actually exemplifying or relating to the subject matter without grossly distorting it, it's a joke ! Others just love to jump into rumbles !  But these are FOUNDATIONLESS arguments that just go nutty, but go on and on and on.. Some people have merit, but those that don't wish to see merit WON'T..  It's ludicrous.  Like watching a group of adults shooting spitballs at one-another screaming when they get one in their eye. Why are you dignifying it ?  LET IT GO !  If I didn't type like lightening, I wouldn't be saying all this,  I'm not devoting time to this,  I type as fast as the thoughts come out.. Otherwise I TOO would look like even more of a fool for perpetuating the same old song and dance...  If you don't like something you see in these forums, and you aren't a moderator, and the person you don't like won't shut up...WE ALL have one option... IGNORE !!!!  So ignore what you hate ollie !   It's that easy cuz there's NOTHING else that works.

If you CAN'T let this go Ollie,  You've lost, and THEY'VE won !  It's that simple.  You can't shove your knowledge down peoples throats online

You might as well try to teach your Television, and tell the television about your life experiences. It will listen MUCH more attentively!  Don't try to teach those that don't wish to learn !  Few here wish to learn about "legal" anything !!!!
Assuming they wished to learn, they need to consult with THEIR OWN copyright Atty,  NONE here qualify to teach about legal or illegal Karaoke unless it can be researched that THEY are specifically Copyright Atty's, and few of THEM know about all the nuances of what's never come to a court as of yet.. I AM agreeing with you about this aspect of things.  Many others are too !!  There are NO experts here, and few in the real world in very specific Copyright areas.

LET THIS GO !

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Better Yet Ollie,  Start this very topic in Cabaret Karaoke !  

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You admit that few if any in here have the knowledge in Law to debate this specific area effectively, so to ask people in here to propose a solution is:

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Ok I give up is so much of a generation gap that nobody has a clue what I am fighting for. I am just glad I lived in an America that a man or woman either one could work 40 hours a week and support a big family. If we had a problem the middle class which has been decimated solved it we didnt pass laws and spend a lot of money. We solved problems with hope faith and love which was what this countyry was founded upon. We took care of our sick we took care of our poor and nobody died in an emergency room. This country is broke. The judicial system is broke The health system is broke The kids in this country have the highest suicide rate of any society that ever existed.

Ok Ill give up admit I'm wrong and wait for somebody to fix it. If you think this government is going to fix it you are brainwashed. I paid the price short of getting killed for these people to sit here and argue. So I feel I deserve a little leeway...A few words and comments years ago would not incense anybody they would sit there and laugh Why is this society so sensitive now? You cant say anything you are insulting somebody and you need to be locked up. I knew the freedoms which  and rights which distingised this country form any that ever existed and I defended with my life Now they are gone.

I give up but it saddens me that nobody understands my attitude and wants to lock me up and chastise my comments. This is not the country I was born in or defended with my life.

I am a redneck rebel Period

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Wrong,  MANY do !   Again, Not ALL sites are great places to expound on such attitudes however.




It's not realistic to think people are born into different times with YOUR value system Ollie !   You are a product of your times,  it's what works for you, It's what YOU saw, your own life memory and as a result it became YOUR conditioned values and unfortuneately as a result it's ONLY YOUR truth, and the truth of many of your generation.  The true Baby-Boomers grew up in a VERY different world ! Vietnam was a different time-period.  Kids today didn't learn from the 1950's and 60's anymore than you or I learned from our great-grandparents or parents in some cases assuming they escaped from areas of Europe during WW2. with VERY different values which came from their OWN hard knocks ! Problem is, History CAN repeat itself, and scary thing is our memories won't stop it !  NOTHING you can do, don't preach to a generation that doesn't speak your language.

You learned about life from your own experiences, and what those YOU respected taught you.   Others must learn THEIR OWN way, or from those that somehow impact them.. YES, there's a HUGE several generation gap, the world IS NOT the same place.. Those that were fighting in WW2 are also seeing a world today where unfortuneately the tyrant we faught against CAN re-emerge only to have Sheeple march to the gallows once again.

Mentality IS NOT the same today as it was when our parents came to this country and worked their butts off. It's not the fault of todays people anymore than it's the older folks fault that change happened.  NOTHING can be done about it based upon values that are subjective resulting from our experiences... Stuff changes, and not always for the better. It's not MY fault, and not your fault..Some change is bad, AND some not-so bad even though it looks that way to you.. For those that are products of their specific time period it's "how things should be", because it's all they know.  You know the meaning of the tax-payers dollar because you learned it,  Kids today aren't going to listen and learn from some person typing in a Karaoke chatroom.. Kids today have to learn themselves. EVERYBODY did, and still does !
If you impacted one or two in life with your values, it's all you can do.

Don't expect others to recognise what you are talking about Ollie,  we're old men in here, and we aren't needed.. So just enjoy stuff, and learn about the new stuff.. because to MANY, you are talking a language they don't recognise, and what you think you are providing is unwanted chattering about "When I was a kid things were different". About as effective as "Abe lincoln walked barefooted to the library to get books".. I got sick of hearing it..

You're an old fart,  and there are special places for us  :(    *besides in the past*

Don't lead yourself on to believe you are that important Ollie.  NONE of us are !  Teach to those that care to learn..  not in here about life and politics.  Here about your tech sage !

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Live and let live !

same type cliches, different time period..  "YOU haven't walked a mile in the shoes of those with different perspectives Ollie, Those you call liberals are often those you just don't understand"

ONE MORE THING Ollie, and I'm dropping this because the Mods have been REALLY good to us. This isn't Karaoke related, and they were nice enough not to pull this yet or kick our old fart butts !

This is the last post, and think about it, but probably better let stuff go now.

What good does it do to teach kids the importance of sticking up for themselves and fighting it out in the playground today when bullied to gain respect when in doing so it might get them shot by the bully today even in gradeschool ?    Didn't happen in our day, BUT, it does today ! How do OUR life experiences protect the young ones in todays world ?  Your teaching isn't suited for ALL..


Your teachings might be fine for your location and times !   World changed !  Different values,  whether we see merit to todays values or not is moot except in our OWN home where we can preach and do what we wish within reason, otherwise I'll get arrested for breach of peace playing LOUD 60's rock music wearing a double-knit polyester leisure suit and I won't be considered a hippy rebel,  Today I'd be a psychotic nutcase.

Like it or not, have respect for the present times, we are guests in their home.

We can tie this all into Karaoke too..   When in central CT.  condemning music here and insisting the bar patrons sing Traditional Country won't teach them a damn thing..  It'll get your  KJ butt kicked out've the bar in a NY minute.  Similarly, I wouldn't have a clue what music to play in your location Ollie, and I'd have to know and respect that styles aren't the same !  Even if it means I'm considered a freak for wearing a funny hat incorrectly.  When in ____ respect the ways of _____  (Assuming I were a KJ that is)

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