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I suppose I can run my Sony little TCR-580V headphone out into my system line in, and play exactly what I feel is real, but that would only assume anybody cares enough for me to do this  LOL

Problem is Lonnie, Place has been gone since april '03.  I don't have reference to whether the rendition is chartbusters, CAVS,  or chopped Scorpions Winds of Change made in Korea.  No means,  just what I taped to practice on at home.

A few examples are:  (all from this juke)

"Kiss from a Rose"   Seal   <--must be original
"The Man I'll never be"  Boston <---must be
"Winds of Change" Scorps <---identicle
"Blue on Black"    KWS
"Can't find my way home"   Blind faith
"Main street"        Seger
"I love you"   Climax  <--must be original
"Son of a son of a sailor"   Buffet
"Christmas wrapping"     Waitresses <--must be original
"Get on your feet'    Estephon
"Night Shift"  Commodores or Richie

etc


The songs where I'm certain, I just have no doubt.  OR,  I've been fooled.  I would love to know

Listen to the backing of this song.  Not exactly what I have, but it's pretty close. Is this original ?  Seal does several renditions himself. Or is this a great Seal cover ?

http://www.singersshowcase.com/song.php ... act2=32470

Listen to the chorus where Seal sings Acappella

Not the RV showcase version, the 3-06 Jee version !
"I've been kissed by a rose on the, I've been kissed by a rose on the ..etc"
(amazing clone if this isn't Seal singing his own backing, OR I'm now tonedeaf)

That ISN'T "seal" in the backing ??????  It's an AMAZING studio replication if not down to the exact bass-lines without exception.  and if this isn't Seal singing the backing track,  this vocalist whoever he may be is ONE FRIGGIN gifted vocalist !

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Kappy, just to let you know the CAVS is basically a computer and the music on them are downloaded CDGs.  Also the KJ who was running the show may have downloaded Sound Choice discs or other disca (this BTW is not allowed) onto the CAVs.

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True Tim,    God only knows what was downloaded onto that.  Some did come up saying "Chartbuster", and I know alot came up saying "Soundchoice", and some said nothing except had the lyrics and artist background and photo type backgrounds but I don't recall what was which, this was obviously when thinking back a machine that wasn't legit as I'd mentioned.  Apparently some of these studio musicians are just incredible however, there always were top notch musicians that in a studio CAN alter and cover a song closer to the original than the live coverbands can.. and perhaps without the lead vocals even musicians that are familiar with the songs can be fooled. Here's an example,  Jee's Kiss from a rose on SS fooled me, and although it's not QUITE as clear as the backing I have, mine certainly fools me to the point I just can not tell.  So perhaps studio musicians who've captured EVERY nuance have me bluffed given todays technology. I don't like to admit to it, but what is, is whether I like it or not .  I'm going to try to find out IF what I have is or isn't original.  For my own sanity if nothing else

Thanks for your help.  Much appreciated !   I wonder if Burton Cummings is Still with Randy Bachman up in Canada, If-so hopefully they'll come to the NE states down here,  would love to see them paired up again !  I think I missed a NY concert or a concert close by a few months back !


Oh yeah,  and Ollie,  If studios are going to have to pay thru the nose for musicians that are so dang good they can sing Seal stuff and play it as good as Seal, I too am going to start riding people about paying for their Karaoke !!   Seriously,  I'm all for buying the works of studios that have the best talent because THOSE are the songs that are great backings !  Naturally I won't be a fanatic, it's just not me, but all kidding aside, these studios and production companies can't run just on "thank yous", and kudos, and being friendly alone, they need money for their product, how much, I haven't a clue..  It'd be interesting to know however what the rough profit margin is on an average CD-G from SC..  Maybe not as high as we'd think. And today with fewer KJ's than 10 years ago probably not great at all considering SC's operating costs.

So you better watch it,  Kappy's a flaming liberal now  LMAO  LMAO

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Actually I would believe there are far more kj's today than there was 10 years ago.  Now how many legitimately purchase their music is another question.

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Good point.  I was thinking that Karaoke was at it's peak around that time. Also I assumed there were more bars in operation than today that could afford entertainment in suburban areas.  I assumed smaller bars have steadily been folding or cutting back payout, but of course that doesn't mean they aren't paying the illegal inexperienced KJ's less.

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When you think about the evolution from CD-G to computer drive this has got to be a killer for the Karaoke industry given human nature, especially during tight times.
I know most of us, although we were home users and not DJ's during shifts from vinyl to 8-track to cassette to CD, we still really became resistent to purchasing what we already owned in duplicate medias (which of course IS what's considered bad economy -not to buy with the times, but still), friends were taping other friends content.. It's just what we always did..  Now even though entertainers aren't supposed to do this,  what is a rough estimate that legitimate format shifting will cost the KJ ? I don't know what loaded HD's cost.  Just given human nature, and current situations it seems that format shifting is going to be a real obstacle for the companies such as SC etc..  Have they set up any incentive plan for the KJ ?  Should they ? Especially if in general the KJ's revenue is down during the shift to a different format ?  Possibly repeat customers who have evidence that they are just format shifting and are on record as large buyers of similar content should get some degree of a reduction ?  Don't know how this is going to work,  but if revenue for most KJ's is down compared to where things were when KJ's were buying their CD-G library, there likely would be more tempted to copy than to buy actual libraries in HD format. Shouldn't the companies work something out for the KJ's assuming they haven't ?  IF they were willing to take a lower profit margin, would they come out ahead in the long-run or wouldn't it matter, do you think those that wish to copy would still copy ?

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Kappy the songs with the "pictures" that come up during instrumental breaks are most likely DK tracks.

As for Bachman and Cummings, come up to Canada.  They're on tour now as the Bachman-Cummings Band.  They found it easier to do it this way as the name "Guess Who" is in dispute over ownership.  They will be in Halifax 22 July.  Randy also has a show on CBC1 called "Randy's Vinyl Tap" on Saturdays which can be heard on the CBC website.

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Thanks for the info Tim,  I'm going to check it out starting this Saturday.  Randy Bachman is an AMAZING guitar player. Bachman Turner wasn't the best vehicle for displaying his diverse abilities in areas of Jazz, etc.  He's quite well rounded ! With loads of Soundtrack work & studio work under his belt.

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Kap

I think I agree with you ?  I have always wondered why the BIG records companies don't produce KARAOKE versions of the orginals ..Like you menioned THEY ALREADY HAVE ALL THE TRACKS! They just need to add a text file for Lyrics?
They are willing to sell their MP3 on Itunes for $1.99 per song why not sell a
Mp3+G for $2.99 per track ?   --Heck customs from SC are $4 per track  and over $2 when you buy the monthly releases which are NOT as good as the orginals.

This way everyone is happy ---
Record Company gets more money
Artists Get more money
KJ get the best renditions and backing tracks

Well just the names aren't going to help.  We would need to know the manu screen that comes up (if any).
The Kiss From A Rose you showed me was clearly not an original to me.  The snare drum is much too 'snappy' & stands out more than the original.  The back up vocals sound pretty good, but that comes with good studio musicians/singers.  Also with computer editing in a multi track environment program, anything could be adjusted to sound identical to the original.  Pro-Tools is a very powerful program that many studios of today use.  Timing issues & off key notes, are able to be highlighted the bad section & move it to bring it into good timing & adjust the wrong key to sound right on as well.  
You've heard Bob Rivers Twisted Tunes before (just assuming), they create all of their own tracks as well.  Many of their songs you'd swear were the original as well.  Here is a sample to the tune of Aerosmith - Janie's Got A Gun
http://www.bobrivers.com/audiovault/tun ... .asp?Var=C
ok can't link directly to the song, scroll down to Cheney's Got A Gun
or
http://www.bobrivers.com/audiovault/tun ... r=S&Page=2
Sled Zeppelin to the tune of D'yer Mak'r Led Zeppelin.

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 I don't understand the question.  Please don't snipe at me or threaten me with lawyers or violence or anything else, I just don't understand the question.  NSTC and PAL are hardware protocols that make the video system work.  The swipes (the color change of the written word across the screen, right?) have nothing directly to do with it, if that's what you were asking.  Is that what you were asking?

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That's probably what's happening in many cases Lonnie.  No such technology existed during my days in studios and I've remained pretty shutout from digital technology. and computer applications for musicians. If work can be digitally altered to duplicate the actual artists styles, and even guitar lines can be adjusted with computers to capture nuances and sig-styles I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.  My guess is I'm being fooled by technology, not just cover musicians, but musicians that have been computer tweaked with voice and instrument emulating programs that never existed in my day.  While I still get together with other live musicians, and that's what I enjoy, the do-it-yourself computer area of recording isn't an area I evolved to,  never composed, just play cover stuff, never tried cakewalk.  I like the crude playing of the instruments, technique, and playing the LP---->stomp or two----> Amp I suppose.  So naturally I'm in the dark as to ALL studio means of producing  and editing after the late 70's early 80's..  In the stone ages, as I've admitted before.. Not complaining, but that's pretty much what music was for me.. Don't even play the synths much..usually the Baby Grand,  Hammond, and guitar directly to an amp..  I'm a "square"  LOL

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I guess I am in the dark,  this will be my first time hearing this parody !

OK,  I want to listen to both the covered aerosmith and zep renditions and see what's going on, haven't heard either yet.

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Cheneys got a gun:

Lonnie,  Now personally if it weren't for the EXTREMELY similar sounding backing vocals at the beginning I wouldn't have for one minute been thrown off by the digitally done instruments that if focused in on alone are clearly not the aerosmith rendition at the beginning.  This is what I've found with Soundchoice, they come close but alot of the instruments are clearly digitally processed/recreated copies. These vocals were VERY close however, and this is what tricks me. I think I hear the backing vocals which are computer emulated, and I'm fooled.. same with guitar lines. I listen for the tell-tale signs, and the studios know to tweak those !   We don't have the lead vocal to hone in on on backings for nuances so it does get tougher

I never thought likenesses were so very close however, that for instance in the case of Jee's Kiss from a Rose, given such a backing, it'd be little things such as snare drum quality that might need to be used as a determining factor.. That's just amazingly close !   Especially when we consider the same musicians don't always sound identical to themselves given environment, mood, etc !

THese are great parodys !!!!   I'm enjoying listening to them and I'm searching for examples of where I'd definitely be fooled.

(I love your breasts the way they are) ,  These are great !!
Hemorrhoids <----very close to Green Day sounding

I understand what you are saying though Lonnie,  strip away these lead vocals, (assuming they weren't even parody vocals but cover versions with actual lyrics) and it becomes MUCH tougher to hear the difference between these remakes, and the original work.   A casual listener EVEN with musical knowledge who never assumed these were covered and tweaked backings, just never payed close attention would be fooled in many cases !  Like I was.

It makes sense that if a person didn't know original Karaoke didn't exist for the most part, and perhaps heard one or two originals, and than LOADS of these types of backings, one just wouldn't know original karaoke is illegal based solely on what the ear picks up.  That's what I used to formulate my assumption. Casual listening to very close backings without knowing what laws were what

If you strip away the fighter plane effects "Bin Laden and the Jets" fooled me.  The instrumentals given that environment sound very much like the original if one doesn't listen extremely closely

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