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Phill and Cindy both explained that regardless of what *might* have caused this, there's no VISIBLE down anywhere. Turning the clocks back, or trying to rectify exact changes in such a case CAN do more harm (at this point) than the positive benefits. Absolutely no virus activity was detectable on the site.  DATA center, and administration researched that.  What is happening now regardless of TOTALLY unknown causes, or what *might've* caused this chain of events (assuming it's even that) already affected *something also unknown* outside the site, or at least beyond anyone in KS's control someplace currently not known.  Going back thru time doesn't remedy reactions at this point, because there's no reference point, no reasonable change that can be made to undo what's entirely unknown, probably like hunting while wearing a blindfold, what's the point ? Nothing they KNOW of would've caused this.  A major change, perhaps even a slight change for what might very well NOT be related would just be doing too much, and MIGHT in fact exacerbate things even more for those that DO currently have access to the site.. Whatever happened isn't happening according to any logic understood. So what could be reasonably tweaked when there's no apparent cause, but just guesses ?   Assuming it *was* site related, and individuals were being denied access (by mistake), these individuals would STILL not have access whether they rerouted to get here or not. Tracers were done FROM KS out showing no problem that can be rectified by any reasonable change on this end.  That's the problem currently. The reactions to *whatever* the cause is, for all anyone knows MIGHT be something like Verizon, or lines elsewhere, and NOT caused by a site tweak; No tweak took place on the site that should've caused anything at all like this to happen.  It's unknown.  These situations can at times possibly iron themselves out too assuming it's an adjustment that other sites must make BUT to throw another wrench into things might give A LOT fewer of us access, and as Phill explained cause a loss of ability to use this site for perhaps as long as 72 hours for all of us, and for what gain ? only to hopefully attempt a "shot in the dark" remedy that might worsen things.

For that reason, I was wondering that IF a phonecall to America Online might by some quirky chance divulge that America Online HAS in fact blocked KS, that might help to call.. Besides that, nothing about this makes sense. They checked for viruses, and anything done at this point is not without substantial risk of worsening existing prob that at least hasn't been worsening, Those that didn't have access, DO have access when on a different site..  That's the best that anybody knows of at this point. Nobody was thrown off of KS by a mistake.. As to whether KS was thrown off've some other server....that's what I was wondering.

Barring my warped humor which of course has no place on an administrative thread such as this, I Emailed Phill with some similar questions about cause and effect. When I observed this happening there appeared to be a strange reversal of events on my end, and the end of others however unfortuneately there's no reasonable correlation between any modifications and what's now happening.  Might be coincidental, might be something entirely unforeseen. Unknown.  

There is NO site trojan, there is no virus activity that can be detected by ANY known site diagnostics. Other website folk were also consulted with. Nobody knows.

The fact they are doing the best they can, is all we should expect. Doing something, when there's no clue might not be too cool considering certain problems fix themselves given some time.  They are putting 100% into this.  This is annoying for KS also because people don't understand stuff *happens* and members trying to fault find (although most understand) creates more of a problem, stress and does nothing to help with solutions,  solutions I suppose administration isn't asking *us* for.

Again I must state that if the error were with KS/SS you wouldn't be able to access the sites at all. Since some people are able through normal channels and others are using a PROXY - that is evidence that the error is NOT with us. There is a network that is out or down somewhere along the chain.

Sorry, but I cannot at this time do anything to fix the problem when it is not at our end! The DATA CENTER / NOC is aware of the outage and it is not on their side either. They checked all systems and everything is running as it should be. They are trying to detect where the problems may exist but again it is not at our end.

That Blurb came straight from McAfee:
http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default. ... &affid=108

So if you do not agree with "Blurb from Professionals" who know what they are talking about...Then that is your problem and shows that you don't know as much as you think you do!!!!

I have experienced first hand on what damage these type of infections can cause!!
Also... I have studied several of them by opening them up with a Hex Editor to see what malicous code it contained!!!... and to see how it worked!!

But I won't start an argument here because I actually agreed with you Bill!!! When you said it might be a DOS Attack - (Denial of service attack)

Reason being is....When this mess first started, I came here and recieved a DOS Attack!!! Not only did I loose my connection to this site..But I could not even surf the internet until I performed a System Restore!!!!

I then came back to this site to only have it happen again!!!  So I done another System Restore...and to make a long story short...In total I recieved about 8 to 10 DOS Attacks just by coming to this site!!!!

I finally got tired of it and after Doing a System Restore for the last time.....I then booted my computer up into Linux....Then came back to this site and had no problems at all....and all this happend with in one day!!!!

The fact that I could come here using Linux and not XP...Tells me that whatever or who ever was causing the DOS attack...It did not affect my Linux operating system the way it did my Windows XP operating sytem!!!

If it would have been a DNS update problem...Then it would not matter what operating system I used....I would not have been able to come to this site!!!

But because I could come here using Linux with no problems at all...But then try windows xp and get DOS attacks...Then that tells me its a infection or someone causing the problem because whatever the problem is or was...It only affected my windows xp operating system....It did not affect my Linux operating system!!!  So how could it be a DNS update issue????

I give up!!!!! I was only trying to help, but I see that no one cares to hear a real possiblity....So I am done!!!!

...and Bill even though I said what I said, YOU most certainly didn't have to write my name implying certain matters!!!~I surely can SPEAK for myself, thank you !~No need to use other individuals names--that my dear is NOT too cool!~It's simply called 'tactless' and 'unethical' !!!~ Speak only for yourself BILL...

I'm curious, has anybody heard of one other website that is currently having a connection problem similar to and as long lasting as this KS/SS problem?

The theory of an MJK supporter targeting certain people doesn't really hold up because several of the people affected are good friends of MJK themselves.