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My Angie track is not original as sung or played by the Stone. But like I said most of my karaoke CDs are from the original artist/band or recording studio.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

From my experience I've found that too Jian.  Some of the slow ballads have the panflute, some don't but my favorite Stone songs as I recall were noticeably Keith Richards Guitar playing and Stones harmony.  That's why I made reference many times in the past regarding what I like about karaoke being

"Gives an aspiring vocalist a chance to practice without leaving home singing with great bands,  the actual artists"..

Based on what I experienced much of the Classic Rock on the JB-199 was classic rock from the artists. scrutinizing soundchoice backing, it's obviously not for the most part much more than midi backing, but alot of course is done well, some isn't... Again Itchykoo Park backing I have WAS "small faces", and Marriot was singing in the rendition.

Now here's the thing, I mentioned I wasn't aware that a lot karaoke backing IS NOT the original, and honestly I wasn't based on lack of exposure to much of the Karaoke many like, and own.. BUT this might be a huge consideration regarding any purchase I make, I WOULD want the original artists to sing along with.  I would NOT want heavily midi produced versions.  If I do Blood Sweat and tears I'd LOVE to have the horn section, same with Tower of Power, Chicago, etc !   I want the original, does that restrict me to only SOME of CAVS ?  or today (2007) would I be SOL, meaning finding original backing is slim to none chance ?  The CAVS renditions Matt's speaking of are essentially hit or miss chances these days. or is there a means of getting ahold of such renditions.  No wonder so much of the Motown selections sound so good compared to other SC versions, eh ?  Those ARE the artists themselves much of the time !

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Thanks Jian,    I'll send you some points too !!!!      At least I don't have to feel like a total freak  (well that's not exactly true,  I'm still awaiting the dramamine to kick in having had to listen to my attempt at singing ruby tuesday)

I guess it's possible that many aren't aware as to why I like Karaoke so much , The renditions I have been exposed to are amazing.  I was trying to sing with Boston doing More than a feeling, and " The man I'll never be", these are amazing renditions.  CAVS really does have advantages folks !  Not trying to push anything but for me this works !  I have this taped and can furnish proof  LOL   These are VERY well edited editions of the actual songs.  How this is done, I haven't a clue, Perhaps I'm lucky and on many of the songs I love, the vocals are panned to their own separate channel, and phased out quite well in a studio.  Creme songs are Clapton playing guitar, Badge is him playing, etc.  I suppose I lucked out.  I don't think I'd honestly enjoy Karaoke quite as much if my exposure was to midi and primarily covered material.  For me, there's no greater thrill than singing with my favorite artists backing me up, UNTIL of course I have to face the fact that the lead vocalist really sucks, (either that or the actual musicians have tempo and pitch issues)    but as long as I don't play it back I can always imagine  LOL

Lonnie,  I don't actually recall the rendition but wasn't "War Pigs" that you sang to actually Sabbath ?  Not sure.  If not really good coverband.  Been a LONG time !

What bothers me most assuming it's not easy to get renditions such as what I was exposed to, is that I passed up buying that jukebox when the bar closed 2003 for about 4K loaded with these very songs.. Assuming it was alot of money, many of the renditions might not be easy to attain any longer ? dunno.

What is bizarre is that NO PLACE on the internet can I find ANYTHING except "Recreation of Original artists"  "In likeness of the original artist"  "Most artists will not allow their music to be used for Karaoke purposes",  "No, these songs are not the original artists, Karaoke is a recreation in the style of the original", so in everybodies defense except my own,  this is strange.. I could've sworn Maybe as Matt said outside the US this has been done which MIGHT make the place I was singing this stuff at   Not so legit ???????

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yeah, Kappy, the ones sold from the U.S. are most DEFINATELY recreations. For us, that's what's common.

The CAVS system uses many tracks that are from overseas sources, and many of those I think are creations FROM the original music. Where they actually used the backing tracks to make 'em!

So you'll have to buy the foreign discs if you want to stay with original music, I'm afraid. For the rest of us loyal karaoke purchasers, we're used to finding as close to the original as we can.

I felt kinda bad for ya when Revenge jumped your shiat about this topic. It's painfully obvious you made the opinion based on what you KNOW of karaoke, from YOUR experience (i.e. the CAVS JB1-99). For someone like Ms. Revenge, who is like the rest of us, we're CD+G based, and that means recreated music.

Yet one more reason I tend to keep my mouth shut when topics come up I don't know much about. I knew you'd been a musician for many, MANY years, and therefore I trusted your opinion on what you thought was real. So I stayed quiet on this and only spoke about what I KNEW about which karaoke tracks used original music.

The sad fact is, unless you get them from overseas, they just don't do it. "Motown" discs were the exception, not the rule!

OK, Thanks Matt.




Exactly,  I made a broad assumption.


Good thing I made my disclaimer (below) when I did, I know nothing about Karaoke. Just thought I knew what I was experiencing firsthand.  LOL

At least I've learned something important.

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I have original VDC karaoke of Bon Jovi 'Thank you For Loving Me' (MTV Video and original music and vocal). One CD full of live John Denver Video karaoke, One double CDs of Lobo karaoke Original. A set of 2 CDs of Air Supply Karaoke live. A set of 2 CDs of ABBA also original and many others. Now those are English songs. My Indon, Malay and Chinese karaoke songs collection are mostly ORIGINAL. Those are Sonny/BMG discs; which mean that it come from the same recording studio.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

What I didn't know at the time (of course) is that this place very likely *wasn't* legitimately operating in accordance with US law.

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Some countries in Asia are well known for making illegal copies or knock offs of copyrighted and trademarked material and items.  This had been a serious problem for quite some time and continues to be so.

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The Spinners, Four Tops, Smokey Robinson, Jackson 5, Commodores as I recall all were Motown, but how about EW&F, I recall a different label such as Capitol ??? I'd need to check my 45's and 33's downstairs to know if something strangely changed, and the "Philly Soul sound" such as Delfonic and Stylistic ?  I don't remember what label they were ? and a lot of what went by the title R&B ??   Were they or were they not Motown ? Seems Thom Bell was mostly Avco, and later Mercury at that time ????    Because isn't the backing I gave an example of actually Earth Wind and Fire which was Chess (way back), or Capitol ????   These wouldn't have been Motown, or am I totally confused in this area too ???   I can take it.. Tell me

If I am talking about something that is also contraband, or boot-leg stuff anyone feel free to PM or Email me and I'll shut-up.  I don't know any better honestly,  this has been my exposure to this stuff..

Here's a thought.  Is it possible that what I'm listening to is a VERY well midi produced version of Earth Wind and Fires September, and the way this is done is by running the original song into a type of sampler which meticulously interprets each frequency/ part into a synthed/midi version while emulating the tracks and omitting the vocal track ?   The backing singing might not actually be real human harmony, but instead Synthed human-like vocals ??  I know virtual nothing about newer digital recording techniques, but I do know my Korg synth can do amazing recreations.  

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Here's what I'm wondering.  Is it possible that what I believe is the live band might not in all cases be a cover band, but just a remixed version of an original by running it into digital technology omitting certain frequencies and replicating others however the original arrangement IS run thru midi and outputted to digitally recreate a midi produced original ?  All frequencies except vocals are computer generated, perhaps bass is analog recorded and compressed ?

I just listened to the song September loud, and the guitar MIGHT be midi produced (not sure have to listen again).  I suppose when compressed properly bass, (unless they are using Earth Wind and Fire's actual bass recording can sound great, but maybe the guitar is digitally recreated, as are backing vocals and the song has only been slightly digitally altered as interpretted by a digital synth emulating backing ?

I'm heading over to You Tube and Downloading EW&F playing the song,  I've already done a head to head with the actual EW&F recording.  I think I'm being fooled by a digitally manipulated COPY of the actual original song  :shock: The drum track MIGHT be a sequencer, but the bass frequencies are VERY well reproduced !!!

Holy Xit,  fooled by technology !!!!  Maybe ????

Jian,  Is it possible that these are all synthed bits digitally replicating the original song fed into a computer, editing out certain areas ?  I just never listened so very carefully that I scrutinized this.  THe soundchoice stuff is obviously covered or midi, unquestionably.  I'm certain A LOT of what I'm hearing is original, but some of this might be digitally dubbed technology ? Here's why I'm wondering this Jian,  I slowed down Ruby Tuesday and the recorder part doesn't slide like it does in the actual song.  It breaks down into choppier sections...  That might be digitally recreated woodwind ??? 32bit piano, etc ???

When you do a head-to-head with the actual EW&F recording it's very tough to tell whether or not this is just a digitally enhanced/edited recording of the original song, digitally recreating every part and editing out vocal track on a computer, Synths even 10 years ago could do a great job at recreating horn and string sections. This Karaoke backing might just be digital synthesis and drum tracks keeping an analog bass line ? or perhaps digitally recreating that ?  While this can pass as "backing" if we were to hear this done with the lead vocal track we would know it's computer generated ?

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