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What are they meaning by produced ?  The backing tracks in the cases of most classic rock songs I've heard, as well as instrumentals ARE usually the original bands.. Gosh,  I hope I'm not wrong here, this could be embarassing.


All the Rolling Stones tracks I've heard HAVE BEEN the Rolling Stones. Same with many other classic rock renditions. Rod Stewart IS Rod Stewarts music, Small Faces and Donovan are the originals, Moody Blues Are the Moody Blues, etc.. Now whether they are supposed to be I have no clue, but this surprised me.  Maybe I am misunderstanding something about this answer, but original artists have been on MANY of the Karaoke renditions I have tried.  Or,  maybe I've lost it and can no longer tell the difference  :looney:

This would astound me if it were in fact true.

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Of course they're not the original versions.  If they were, there would be no quality differences between the manufacturers.  U-Best discs would be just as good as Sound Choice discs.

There are some Motown discs out there that are the original recordings, but I don't think there's a whole lot else.

Steve,..you're beginning to confuse me.  I do not believe any karaoke produced track is done by the original artist. Each "house" band tries it's best to sound as much as the original group as they can.  Hence the reason Sound Choice has "usually" over the years had a better group of musicians and recording people than most other karaoke companies.

Kelly

Stepen, You must be very, very embarased. Virtually all legal karaoke manufacturers, purchase the sheet music and words from Harry Fox publishing for the music and have their own studios produce it, with in house bands, as close to the originals as they can and at the same time work out the licensing with the original copyright holders for the synch licensing for the graphics. Which is why they can apply for their own copyright on that version of that song.

All I can say Kelly, is that I'm totally embarrassed because quite honestly I was certain that the songs I was singing along with on the CAVS JB-199 were mostly backing and instrumentals from the original rock bands. What can I say ? I know most of these songs well, have heard them for years, and I'm a total idiot !!  I'll have to now VERY carefully relisten to the backings I have.  Granted, I don't spend a lot of time listening to backings these days but I could've sworn... Oh well, yeah, assuming these are not the original artists who's tracks have been edited out, or somehow a studio has redone a type of recording, I'm amazed at the likeness.  PRobably what I'll do is reference specific songs after listening carefully, but the Delfonic and Stylistics CD-G's also sounded meticulously like Delfonic and Stylistics, as did the backing to Smokey Robinson. Itchykoo park IS Itchykoo park and not a cover,  Hermans Hermits can't be a cover.. OK, so I feel like a fool and I'm embarrassed to admit this as a musician, but I was fooled.

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Yes Phxkj,  I'm quite embarassed.  In fact I'm going to listen to a few of my favorite backings right now and do head-to-heads with the original songs.  Some of these bands CAN NOT be cover bands  Worst case (or best case) scenerio I can always change the title of this thread as well as my posts  LMAO

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Seriously.  Who's covering CAVS Blood, Sweat and Tears "You've made me so very happy" ?    How about Climax "I Love You".  these aren't covers.  Scorpions "Winds of Change" ?   Chicago  "Feeling Stronger Everyday" ?  Crash Test Dummies "MMMMM"

"You are Everything" by the stylistics is not them however, true.
"Everytime I think of you" isn't the "Baby's...OK, that's true.

And I suppose I never scrutinized "Dog and Butterfly" but I love that song, and whoever is covering it is doing a damn good job.

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Exactly.  Other than the Motown tracks previously mentioned, the on;y other tracks with original artists is when a member of The Powder Blues Band and a member of Doug and The Slugs came in and laid some tracks for Gamesman, a Canadian manufacturer.  

http://www.gamesman.ca/index.html

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You can be strange but not a stranger

The Waitresses "Christmas Wrapping" is the original, and the backing is them.

Can't find my way home ISN'T "Blind Faith" ?

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Cavs in many of their brands gets their songs from overseas, who use the original music! Ever see those dvds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDwCNtyzF2E

If you feel like a fool, you're not doing yourself any favors by compounding it by insisting some of the songs are the original version even after 4 people have told you otherwise.

Matt,  I haven't.  One of the only Karaoke bars I hung out at regularly, and my copies which I taped for home practice are off've the CAVS JB-199 monsterous Jukebox. I don't have soundchoice or other CD-G's..  Just the CAVS renditions. Haven't heard others.  I'm basing my observation SOLELY on CAVS renditions.  NOT all CAVS,  but much of the classic rock.  How about Bostons "Man I'll never Be" on CAVS ?  That is a cover band ?  IF-so DAMN good harmony and guitar style, not easy to clone.  Yes  RE: Invention, I will own up to being the fool I am presenting myself as now and will deserve such a title if I am wrong, I am a musician, and if I'm wrong I'm a total fool,  I LOVE these songs I'm basing my observations on, and I'm not a KJ, and I really only have had exposure to Motown, Funkstyle, classic rock, and 60's and 70's ballad.  I've been in coverbands and I'll be floored assuming Most of what I assumed based upon backing vocals and instrumentals on these taped CAVS versions are coverbands.. But I learned something too if I'm wrong despite how much of a fool I have made of myself.. Still,  I never pretend to be correct assuming I'm blatantly wrong, but these are AMAZING coverbands assuming they all are !

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Des'ree  "You gotta be" isn't her band ????  Seriously !  Listen

I am also certain "Seal" Kiss from a Rose Is Seal !

<heck, I might be delusional, but that doesn't mean I can't be certain>

Hey,  I've got over 300K points.  Who wishes to profit off've my stupidity.  Let's wager on certain songs, for everything pt you bet, I'll match it with 5 !  You bet 100 to gain 500 off've my stupidity !   All willing can join !!!  LOL

Let's start with CAVS Kiss from a Rose,  I say it's Seal... Who wishes to bet ??




Like "Brave Sir Robin" in Monty Python, I'll take on ALL FOUR without any arms or legs  LMAO.  I'm ready !!  

They are incorrect in certain cases.  Since I'll never live this down, I'm going to defend it.  LOL

Additionally, most of my hearing OTHER backings has been from a few of the songs I listened to over in Singer's Showcase, and to be quite honest, when listening I listen specifically to those singing the lead paying less attention to backing renditions in such a case..  Not claiming all I hear in Singer's Showcase is by any means original backing, however A LOT of the Motown songs that I heard Crooner, and a few others do REALLY seem to be original, and again Delfonic, and Stylistics. Spinners I believe are too !

You've lost that Loving feeling "THe Righteous Bros" ?  Not original backing ??

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Btw Thanks Matt !!   Checks in the mail  LOL

Just went over to SS, and listened to a few Soundchoice renditions

I am the Walrus is noticeably not the Beatles,   I guess that's why they call it the blues although well done obviously has alot of synth, and a different electric piano sound that Elton John doesn't have. Several other SS songs are noticeably not original in singers showcase however some of the Motown is original. Back in the USSR isn't the Beatles rendition.

Here,  we can do this together..

Go listen to "The Crooner"  singing Earth Winde and Fire "September"

I'm willing to put up 75,000 points to ANYBODY who'll put up 5000 points that THAT is not Earth Wind and FIre backing !

Kappy <---Still swinging stumps and feeling Happy  LMAO

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Come on !    Tell me this isn't Earth Wind and Fire !!
http://www.singersshowcase.com/song.php ... act2=52992


(will only wager 75K to one person,  not 4, I might be a fool, but I'm not totally stupid)  LOL

Yet I see some of us agree that Motown often IS original.  OK, granted I'm a huge motown fan !

Going to find some other stuff !!

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This is what I saw however, and this is what I was reacting to




Can we agree that this isn't true ?  Or by produced do they mean original songs are edited by independant engineers but can be mixes of original versions ?  This is what threw me for a loop, because I know much of what I love and have heard is original albeit NOT all !  We were discussing lousy renditions awhile back. So I am aware there are several renditions of SOME songs.

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I'd love to know who covers the SRV and Gary Moore renditions of blues.

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Steven,
I am not sure about the Rolling Stone tracks that you have but, most of my Karaoke discs ARE ORIGINAL as ORIGINAL as the CD.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Jian,  I've heard lousy renditions of Angie however the CAVS rendition of Angie is the Rolling Stones, as is CAVS Tumbling Dice !

Jian,  by original do you mean they are the Rolling Stones ?   Or are an original band doing there own rendition of the Stones songs ?  Let me listen to Ruby Tuesday right now and see !

(on second thought the track with Ruby Tuesday has me singing on it.. Don't make me listen to this Jian)

If I want to up the ante and make a TOTAL jackass out've myself if I'm wrong I'll post my singing Ruby Tuesday.... NOT !!!!!  :shock:

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I think Ruby Tuesday is the original but I had to adjust the pitch so much that when I try to omit my chipmonk sounding lead it's hard to tell  :shock:

Let me also say regarding Angie,  that I might be wrong regarding what I posted earlier in this post.  I seem to recall it being original, but I'm also recalling that god awful Pan-flute in a rendition as well so I don't really know, wouldn't put my points on Angie

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CAVS   "Shannon" by Henry Gross is original  CAVS "I Need you"  by AMerica is original.  I don't exactly recall Tim, but How about "Guess Who' Laughing ?  Isn't Burton Cummings Original ?   Scarborough fair (CAVS) certainly sounds VERY original, as do many S&G CAVS songs. Bridge over Troubled Water however isn't original on this CAVS backing.  I'm a huge Three Dog Night Fan,  MUCH of TDN on CAVS as I recall sounded original.. IE... "Easy to be Hard".  Early 1990's song "The First Time" by "Surface" is them singing.  Those of you into older country or pop Glen Campbell "Witchita Lineman",  I heard a rendition again with that horrid pan-flute but isn't that song edited from the original ?  I don't recall.  I like Glen Campbell alot but the selections were sparse, at least that I had access to.  The Associations "Never My Love" and "Cherish" are BOTH original on CAVS too I'm certain. I have no idea about Soundchoice but I'd be curious if Cherish can be covered easily,  and not sound hacked up !  The Associations multitimbral layered harmony was very well done.  Along COmes mary, etc.   How about Blood, Sweat and Tears "And when I die" ? and "Sometime in Winter" ?  Those are original I thought.  "Spinning Wheel" had that horrid panflute  :fright:

I'm over in Singer's Showcase and I agree that VERY little of what are designated to be Soundchoice songs are original whatsoever.  Heavily midi and synthed renditions. Some well done, some rinky dink sounding.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".