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You are so lost that I can see that it is a waste of time trying to tell you anything!! No doubt you don't comprehend very well...  I did not say that karaoke manu stole my work....I said that some people in the music industry did!!!  I did not give details because for one...it's none of your business, & two...I don't really feel like giving details!!

But you see.... it is like that trickle effect that some politicians talk about.....Someone in the music business stole my work and made money from it....Period!!!  So it does not matter how I get back at them for what they done to me....I will do it in every form or fashion that I can think of.....Because I am upset at how they were so fast to steal from me and not think twice about it!!!!  So I will treat them the same as they have treated me and I will do it in every way I can possibly think of...

Thank you very much

YOU HIT THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD.

Revenge is trying to perpetuate the last thread that has been locked.

What I see as a motive is she wants to dictate the law, and we are supposed to agree and follow. I still say, she sounds like A represenative for Sound Choice parroting their agenda.

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I agree with you Elvis...  

And I think I have made my point so I'm done....

Interesting turn of events yesterday.

I'm buying a home (yayyy) and went to get insurance for it. We started talking about writers for additional things covered, and I mentioend my $40,000 music investment.

What he said was, "never going to happen" as the cds (and he did include karaoke cdgs) depreciate, and he suggested going to computer! !

I had a bit of a discussion with him about my stance, how I operated for years, and how I was wrong with the copyright situation. And we talked about the situation in Phoenix. He listened, admitted he wasn't a laywer, but STRICTLY from an insurance perspective, said if he were in my shoes, or any KJ's shoes, he'd recommend they buy the discs, but convert to computer or cdr... to protect the investment. Then have the discs stored in a safe location, such as a bank box, safe (although in the case of fire, even a fireproof safe may not protect against the scorching), offsite storage, etc.

Was very enlightening... even when I pointed out the double copyright violation (manufacturers logo and the song), he STILL reiterated that there is no harm/no foul as the original cdgs are purchased... and that he didn't see where a court case would EVER prosecute someone who could prove they owned the discs.

But again, he admitted he knew nothing about copyright law and the consequences of it.

EElvis...how is pointing out something (the fact that you can't even sign in at the CAVS site) dictating a law? They pointed out that you could still go to the CAVS music download site and I merely pointed out that you could go there, but you couldn't download anything because you cannot sign in. What is you major malfunction? Once again, EElvis, you are not reading the posts before you make statements. Should we go back to the "typical male" conversation?

As for you, Neo. In a previous thread, you said (without any facts or even a statement to back it up) that I did not have a clue. In this thread, you keep saying I don't get it. In the previous thread, we were talking about a law. YOU are the one who obviously (and admittedly) has no respect for the law, whether you have a clue about it or not. I, on the other hand, understand it. Therefor, I DO have a clue. As for "getting it," you still have yet to back that up with fact. I "get" that you are going to break the law because you feel someone wronged you. I "get" that KJs using computers are going to use whatever excuse they can find to continue what they are doing until one of them gets busted. I "get" that this is a thread about CAVS infringing on Famous Music's copyright and that is why I mentioned that you can't download anymore and THAT is also why I questioned the legality of CAVS. I "get" that you seem to have a problem with me, although, to my knowledge, we have never met. So...what is it you THINK I don't get. Agreeing with EElvis when his comment made no sense considering the previous posts doesn't really prove your case. In fact, it goes more to proving my belief that it is YOU who doesn't get it. Oh...and you can look this up...the "do unto others" thing...It's "Do unto others as you WOULD HAVE THEM DO unto you," not "as they have DONE to you."

To the rest of you. Obviously, some people on here don't understand the point of a forum. If I am not allowed to post relevant comments in a thread without being insulted and answered with inane, off topic comments, then this is not a forum. Until this turns into a "this is only one person's place to make a comment and no one else is allowed to say anything about it" site, I will post what I feel is relevant to the thread. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the webmaster. I will, however, ask that you stop insulting people unless you have facts to back it up. If your only comment is "you don't have a clue" or "the mouthy one" then why post it? If you have something relevant to add or comment on, fine. If not, why try to start problems?

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And one more comment...because Knightshow's comment came in while I was typing my last one.

I hope no one is going to listen to what an INSURANCE AGENT who, admittedly, knows NOTHING about copyright laws, has to say when you all REFUSE to listen to Sound Choice and Stellar who deal with copyright laws pertaining to karaoke music EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Is this insurance agent willing to pay everyone's fine if they get caught because they listened to his advice?

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If you can try and get a quote from statefarm. I scheduled my Equipment for $35,000.00 and my cd's they said didnt need scheduling. I have replacement cost, and I have in writing they will pay me face value foe all cd's. I took pictures of the equipt, and cd's and gave them a cd with them on it for extra insurance. My Cost for scheduling was about an extra $10.00 a month.

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LONMAN    ......will you PLEASE.....just get rid of this......( ok ...I'll restrain myself)....self righteous....pompous...A$$?  :madgo: I think we have all had just about enough of this "person" . Reminds me of another who finally got "canned"....or did he/she. OH..and R/E....don't try jumping too quick to respond to my "request". It's not about YOU...it's about what is and isn't good for this forum, and in my humble opinion......you're NOT .

                                       Donny  B


ps: Save any comments for people who will continue to respond to you......I won't !!!

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I dont find ANYTHING pompos about R/E statements. In fact as I read them they are VERY NUETRAL in her wording. Simply are restatements of existing copyright law. Seems its some of those that dont feel the need to agree with copyright law that are so vehemently oppossed to her statements. As far as getting rid of another one recently---I assume you are reffering to to Bigdog. Lonman had NOTHING to do with that one.  BD gave himself enough rope and hung himself. A case of dont bite the hand that feeds you. And thats all I will say about it here.

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This subject....legal...illegal...was already "bashed about" in a post that's been closed. So....why attempt to re-hash old news. I understand the "quotes" regarding copyright law, BUT....for jimminy sake.....let it go. Why stir up the same topic within a different heading, UNLESS...you (not really YOU) need to further explain YOUR stance to YOUR satisfaction, regardless of the fact that topic was/is closed. No offense to you SwingcatKurt, but the pompous attitude came about after the "quotes" that are readily available to those "in search of". Granted, this is an open forum, but when a subject gets closed...for whatever the reason, the members should take notice and leave it be, rather than doing the old "end around" play that we ALL just witnessed. That's all I'M going to say about that....to ANYBODY!!

                                      Donny B  8)

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Revenge,
I'm going to jump in here and tell you that I enjoy and agree with your posts.  You do not deserve all the attacks you have gotten.  

However I do agree with Neo that we cannot change the minds of anybody on these forums on this issue.   Until they are forced to change because they are faced with losing a gig or legal trouble, they will do what most will do----have a "wait and see" attitude.  

Even so, you should be allowed to express your opinion and share what you are discovering on this issue.

I just want to say this.....Those of you who are very familar with the karaoke industry and who have been around a while--  Who are making the BIG BUCKS right now?  It's the Multi-rigging KJ's who own one set of original discs.   It's the internet retailers who continue to market loaded hard drives. It's CAVS who sells a karaoke system that feeds 9 units from a server and on their website they say "imagine how much money you could save by having one song library and share it from up to 10 JB-199s" .  

Now, before anybody attacks me on this...I'm sure some of you may be doing just fine, but couldn't you be doing better if you didn't have to compete against a guy who invested $2500 in his 100,000 song library?  Trust me, I'm not trying to change your minds on computer vs discs, but perhaps on a bigger scope, maybe get you to acknowledge AT THE VERY LEAST that our industry is in trouble and some changes need to be made (I am assuming that you care).  I'm all for computerized karaoke--BUT ONLY IF IT IS LEGAL AND IT CAN BE REGULATED in a way that offenders can be easily identified.

It's very sad that currently, it seems the most prosperous people in our industry are the ones who are doing things to destroy it.  Personally, I think all that is about to change.  There has been more activity on this issue in the past 4 months alone that the last 5 years total and I think things are JUST GETTING STARTED.

And Donny B...
As I mentioned on my previous post, there has been more relevant NEWS on this issue in the past 4 months along that the last 5 years ---even probably 7 years total.    Some of the news in the past couple weeks have been HUGE for this industry!!!!  This SHOULD be a huge topic and WILL BE!

Just keep the horse beating civil, if it starts turning into personal attacks & insults again, this topic will be shut down as well.

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I tried to google the lawsuit and couldn't find anything about it except that it was filed. Anybody have any updates?

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Iwent to the download site to see if I could purchase a download. It appears as if you can purchase a download without signing in. Of course I'm not totally sure because I did not complete the whole buying process because I really don't want a song, so I e-mailed the tech support to see if they are still in operation. Curiosity has got the best of me here.

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I found something about it in their forums. http://www.cavsusa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1805

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First: To those of you who jumped to my defense, THANK YOU! That was very nice of you and I appreciate it.

Second, and this is just to make sure everyone is clear on this: I didn't start this thread, so I don't know WHY you are blaming me for it. The topic is Famous Music vs CAVS Lawsuit. I posted something relevant to the thread and got attacked for it. I didn't quote copyright law here. I didn't insult any of you. I simply posted a comment.

As for Bigdog. I went back through archived posts and all I saw were references (where other people had "quoted" what he said at the beginning of their posts) to things he said. I am guessing when he was no longer a member, his posts were removed (or I just didn't look hard enough...I admit I didn't spend much time looking) but, I saw where he seemed to be attacked every time he made a comment that differed from the general belief of a topic. It would be a beautiful thing if the entire world agreed on absolutely everything, but I think it would be quite boring also.

Once again, if this is a forum, then ANY relevant comments should be welcomed and you shouldn't ask for someone to be removed just because YOU don't agree with what they say. I am sure Lonman has disagreed with MANY postings in these forums, but he doesn't turn around and boot the people for making the comments.

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and I agree, Ms. Revenge.

I could stand on one mountaintop shouting out the exact opposite of what you have to say while you do the same shouting out the exact opposite... but I TOTALLY agree on your right to say them.

Unlike Ollie (karaoker), I won't use my status as a vet to preach very much about the bill of rights, or whatever. I TOO fought for this country. I shed tears for it. I even killed to defend it. BUT This isn't an nation where VETERANS ONLY have the right to voice their thoughts. We don't even get special speaking priveleges for such matters. We're ALL citizens of the greatest nation in the world (except a few of our friends from across the great pond, or the great white north, or the Orient), and we ALL have the right to our thoughts and the ability to say them here.

Personally I felt that Neo was absurd in his post chastizing R.E., but I'm not a moderator nor forum owner here... so my thoughts are my own on that matter.

If we ALL just agree to discuss things CIVILLY, maybe... maybe we'll learn something from each other.

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And one more comment...because Knightshow's comment came in while I was typing my last one.

I hope no one is going to listen to what an INSURANCE AGENT who, admittedly, knows NOTHING about copyright laws, has to say when you all REFUSE to listen to Sound Choice and Stellar who deal with copyright laws pertaining to karaoke music EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Is this insurance agent willing to pay everyone's fine if they get caught because they listened to his advice?

Revenge, when I posted what I did about the Insurance person, you can TELL I wasn't agreeing with his position. I merely quoted it to show how someone who DOESN'T know the workings of the copyright law could EASILY misinterpret what would be legal or not... this has ALWAYS been a situation of people confusing COMMON SENSE vs the law.

COMMON SENSE tells us that if you bought the disc, you can do with it what you please, short of selling copies / running multirigs... profiting off a library that isn't YOURS. But to do a 1:1 conversion there is no monetary loss... and in fact, you're preserving your investment by playing the copied media. Looks like a win/win situation AT THE SURFACE LEVEL.

So when you made your comments about this situation, I felt it was rather redundant. BUT I AGREE THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO!

Neo, personally, everything was going FINE in here until you pipped up. You may think you're speaking for the majority. Trust me... people really don't have a problem speaking for themselves in here. So please don't try to use a mob-mentality in your postings that we ALL want her to shut up and go away.

As I said earlier... I may not agree with Revenge Entertainment's tactics, but if I were to choose between who I'd rather shut up on this site, she AIN'T the one I'd pick right about now...

There's nothing wrong with putting up the opposing side of a position. there's nothing wrong with quoting law. There's something wrong when the other side's arguing tactics get personal... usually because that person is a poor debater or doesn't have a leg to stand on!

 In what state is horse beating civil ?  It's my understanding that this can fall under criminal law in most states.   Unless of course the horse is already dead.  LMAO   But, heck.  We can always argue about this.  Can you post a few reference links ?

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Matt, Personally, I feel the same about you as you do me in every aspect. You have a right to your opinion just as anyone else here does, and you can interpret what you read from others how ever you wish.

If I had actually been taking this personal or I had actually been attacking anyone they would know it with out any doubt!!! But if you were paying any attention you would have seen that I was laughing through the whole thing and did not show any anger nor did I pitch a Tantrum as R/E claimed!! nor do I have a mob-mentality!

I only wanted to help her, and others like her, to understand that not everyone here agree's with, nor is afraid of the things that she speaks of.  

I never said I was speaking for everyone here!!... But I pipped up as you call it, because when others like myself did not agree with her and tried to make an attempt to voice there opinion...R/E took it upon herself to attack them and cut them down for voicing there opinion the same as BD use to do .

It is people like that who cannot handle debate because they think that they are always right and others are always wrong... and there way is the only way, and anyone who does not agree with them is absurd or has not a leg to stand on....as you put it.

On the other hand... I gave her some of her own treatment, I treated her with the same respect that she treated a few others with.  It seemed R/E thought she was above all others and could force her opinion on everyone and shove it down our throat, and expect us to conform to her way & belief as if she has the power to inforce her karaoke police mentality.....and it is people like R/E and you Matt..who get upset when others refuse to agree with you and your point of view.

So go ahead and try to make me look like the silly one here, it won't work because not everyone is blind and or closed minded.

Have a nice day