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Just heard on the news that a Texas college (St. Edwards) has been shutdown for the day (supposed bomb scares). Not certain if these are extra-precautions due to the Virginia Tech killings 24 hours prior, or the start of copycat incidents.  A thought that's truly scary is when you see the media continuously state (although likely fact) "Largest Gun massacre in US History", you can't negate some young and angry sick mind(s) out there formulating an idea for a "new goal".   While suicide has always been a problem among the young, might things be evolving into "Take all you can with you and leave your mark" or suicide bomber type mentality ?

Not sure if the world is more violent today than it was in the past. War isn't unique, and stresses among the young have ALWAYS existed. I recall violent times such as the late 60's... Our grandparents and parents (for some of us) went thru WW2 and it's aftermath.  Kids weren't killing each other though.  Many drug over-doses however in the 60's, yet a lot of violence was met with the "hippie" generation, and peace-nick groups too. Things feel more detached today. Prior to the 1990's you didn't hear about random school killings with guns, (there however was the extremely rare murder of passion involving a gun. Usually domestic). So what's changed ?

Might this (in part) have to do with the advent of technology creating a more depersonalized/detached exitence for many that might not have resorted to such violence if closer personal contact was maintained, and adults were required to supervise behaviour ?  IE. contact sports, home board games, etc ?  Might this be an affect of the earlier arcade games and now "home computers" left to entertain kids, when what the kids really need is adult supervision and attention to deal with intense emotional aspects of "growing pains" since kids can't bring themselves up, AND in a world of techno-sitting, probs are going to happen, and channel a different result ?

If a child is prone to sociopathic behaviour think about all online that's actually conducive to feeding such behaviour, there's plenty of stimuli easily obtained perhaps even fueling such a fire. Couple this aspect with the adult world being less likely to spot things prior to a violent culmination, because the kid is "Sitting in front of a screen appearing fine" ?  In certain cases talking things out just doesn't appear to be an option for the young ?   Yet even in the old days,  MANY kids couldn't, or didn't feel they could talk with their parents.

Might this have to do with a computer generation, and virtual reality becoming more than "casual entertainment", but also a substitute for necessary adult intervention that if provided might've thwarted crises ? Double income parents might be working to make ends meet, kids formulate their own means of problem solving.  Parents assume, "We couldn't see it, he never came to us, we never knew that was bothering him" ?   However in the past often adults spotted things, and requested we "talk about intense stuff". My parents of course stated that, "We NEVER had anybody to talk to about what bothered us and we had the same issues, childhood is childhood, and it's tough"; Given certain instability, does the media feed some of this, or perpetuate it ?

Just a few thoughts.  Please keep things respectful of others opinions despite how ludicrous you might feel some opinions are.

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Call me a simple person... But I just don't understand why people do such things.. It is just sad.. I feel for all the friends and family that have been affected and for all the people like us that have been affected in an indirect way.. It is so hard to send our kids off to school these days.. You just don't ever know what is going to happen.....

Heck, I remember back when I was in school all my parents were concerned about was if I might get involved with people smoking cigarettes or drinking beer...

My.... how times have changed....

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It's not just youngsters.  One of the most likely places you'll be the victim of violent crime is in the workplace.  The Post Office seems to take a lot of publicity in that area, but they're not the only places people suddenly snap and come in one morning shooting everybody in sight.

It's not just the U.S., either.  In the last few years there have been well-publicized school shootings in Russia and Scotland too.  Maybe they happen in other places where they're not as well publicized, but who knows.

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Steven feb 19th I was 67 years old In 60 years I have wept inside as the extremists used the atmosphere of the sixties to advance their personal power control policies.The last real pres we had was JFK. In the fifties a man or woman either one could work 40 hours a week and support a big family.

Then the extremists and liberals took over They eliminated the middle class they totallhy destroyed the masculinity of the American male  They took parental rights away destroyed the American family puts kids in a bubble and instead of teaching them the 3 R's sttarted brain washing them into believing that they need to depend upon government for protection The government is reponsible for determining ones biases and mores. The 1000's of generations of families moral beliefs are not right and should  be reported to the authorities  (WHOM DOES THIS SOUND LIKE?)

When I was 16 years old on the farm I was a man and had almost full adult responsibilities. I was not reared (you raise pigs you rear children) in a bubble I was ready to explore the whole world (which I did in the navy) A drug addict was somebody down on larimer street in Denver I could walk into my high school with a 30-30 rifle into the principals office and MR Eyestone would look at it and say how do you likde a Marlin?  Its good it doesnt kick the brass into your face like a Winchester  does OH NO NO You cant have this Sh*t In fact we have a zero tolerance for violence policy If you kids have a problem there will no more going out behind the school and duking it out.. In fact no more parents will be allowed to spank  their children All disepline will be handeled by the state.

In fact no more problems will be solved the middle class or private citezens all decisions biases moral aspects will be determined by volumes and volumes and voumes of man written laws.. But we need more money to enforce these laws and build more detention centers and prisons

When a kid does go to college that have been so protected they dont have clue who they are or how to find self and then they are bombarded with more liberal F*** BS And they are so tired of the extreme black or white BS and not a hope in sight because they can see the corruption and big money politics as usual on the federal and local level.

Why do you have this happening on this century and not for the major part of the last century? Or for thousands of generations? It is sort of obvious to this old man.. They have no disipline or respect for neighbors or self they have no love even for self they have no sense of being..

What pisses me off is we are 10% of the worlds population and my kids are consumimg 2/3 of the worlds drugs most forced in the school system as mind altering legal drugs (legal) Set my children free you basta***ds.
And most of the citezens are smoke screened with abortion Cigarrette smoke and guns and drugs and internetrb sex predators
We have some problems here like  identity theft, immigration when a real problem comes along they cant sov ev it There is a very obvious example on this forum wherev congress cant keep up with technology wheter youtube or karaoke hard And you wonder why the young in this country are so committing suicide?
 I have a plan lets get rid all these laws and extreme philosophies and go back 60 years ago It will never happen. This country is broke big time.. If the citezens dont stand up and say enough is enough it will only get worse...

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Thanks all for your input,  interesting points were brought up.  Keep thoughts coming.  I'll make this *my* last post because I really don't wish this to be another thread I end up monopolizing.   A few thoughts are (despite MY OWN personal beliefs) most need to believe in something bigger/greater than themselves, especially as youngsters for a healthy purposeful psychological foundation.  World is a lonely place for those of us that don't believe in some sort of higher power, or type of deity, order, cause, reason, purpose for existence, individual and community value(s), etc. A general theme (regarding these kids that end up resorting to violence) is they have deep-seated feelings of having been ostracized, but also fitting in nowhere. Esteem suffers, and they feel empty socially, and of course individually. Is it any wonder "Question Mark" becomes an identity ?

While many believe wars are often a culmination of religious hypocrisy, and all/none thought; We also hear religion for the individual DOES in fact often mollify certain overwhelming concerns. I don't personally feel that the individual person in most cases without a strong family unit (which requires family values or yet ANOTHER aspect of our social-structure that has been declining over the last 1/2 century) along with the decline in certain religious doctrines (as a foundation in ethics and psychology) stands a great chance as a youngster of feeling a part of a system.  Kid's CAN'T bring themselves up, and ethics and cultural values (when balanced) serve a positive purpose.  There's a reason most of us had early exposure to belief systems such as the 10 commandments, the Golden Rule (or in non-Western cultures that aren't governed by judeo/christian values a comparable set of laws) these help the individual at times believe they ARE someone/ something/ with a purpose (as opposed to the general outcast/rejected/isolated feeling that's usually a commonality felt among these lost kids that feel they fit in NOWHERE, or in this context, the kids that resort to such violence).  First a foundation of -being-, individual worth, and social acceptance/purpose (which can later be built on, or if it suits the individual perhaps even later rejected) but still, as an initial foundation such exposure is important.  Even for those of us that are quite skeptical, certain values DO in fact serve an importance for young minds.  After-all, even as an agnostic person (currently) I recognize that even though Grimm's Fairy-tales are just "tales" they are comforting, they serve a purpose, give a good feeling, but most importantly they instill hope and faith in small individuals that are prone to feeling overwhelmed in a chaotic world. Some things just ARE psychologically necessary whether fact or fictitious.  Besides that, we never really fully "grow up".  Once we realize our parents aren't "God" IMHO that's when life really starts to get scary !


Point being,  there's a reason family and extended family used to be a tighter unit,  there's also a reason so many out there believe in "God", or something greater than themselves, or at least DID at one time.  We need to feel there's a meaning and purpose, and as I initially stated *I believe* we need (at times) to just give situations up to something greater than ourselves,  as intimated in a different thread -we are only small creatures individually, and if we don't feel a part of a larger system, things can get quite scary; Feeling life is empty and meaningless really isn't a great foundation to grow on for a kid, we ARE social creatures.

Interesting & meritorious areas have been raised btw.

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