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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:03 am 
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Listened mainly with my right ear because left ear has tinnitus.  Used Altec-Lansing 3-piece comp speakers while watching Tivo'd Conan O'Brian.  LOL  I had to listen several times as the pitches became closer.  I guess there's a couple other tempo or rhythm sections to this test too.


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I clicked my first instinct. And asking justy now, he says I listened to maybe two tones more than once.
I used ear bud headphones, in only one ear.  I ALSO did it with Sky in the room, playing with some talking dancing barbie thing. I don't think the "concentration" aspect makes much of a difference to me... I didn't THINK I did well... Lol, I didn't quite understand the "percentile" thing... Lol, always throws me..> I guess THAT is telling of my intelligience, eh? Like.. if Sky is in the 10 percentile for weight and height for her age.. that means 90 % of kids are bigger than her? Yes? Ok, this is rambling:)
I did the test again, and still got 97%. THAT actually surprised me MORE... how the heck did I get the same ones WRONG again?! Lol, and Justin STILL couldn't get past the "you moron" screen:)

I tried to have Sky do it, to see how she would do. No go. Now, concentration DOES have an impact when you are 5 Mind you.. She also sings like Justin... so, maybe she IS simply pitch deaf like him;)



Gilly,

   A few interesting aspects regarding this test.  First off Kudo's on only listening to a few tones more than once.  Most pitch matching questions that enabled me to be around .67 (the tough 5 or-so) I had to shift between ears, and adjust sound volume.  I found the lower volumes helped (considering THIS particular wave form of output and frequency and I suppose my own auditory sense).

  I always knew you had a more sensitive ear than I have just by listening to your singing, and knowing your horn playing background.  I don't think most children her age could come near our scores.   It requires A LOT of pensive focus, and even if I were to take this last night (with a stormy PO's mind, and stress) my guess is I would've done poorer than half.  It depends on mindset, physical condition, and also how trained our ear is at current..  Here's an interesting thought for those that did around 50 to 70, and feel badly.  You can quickly develop your skills, this is a great way to do it too (thanks to Gilly)

Those of you that don't spend time focusing on pitch matching acuity, take this test several times (assuming you have the time; As a person who taught ear-training *way back*, and tuned pianos I learned a few interesting things), if you have a tough time hearing a difference, lower the volume, focusing VERY hard, it doesn't take much time to sharpen and hone in on this area of auditory perception.. If you must KEEP listening to pitches side by side do-so as an ear training skill, doing this trying to listen KNOWING there's a difference currently non-perceptible to you helps you develop deeper concentration ability, hence a sensitivity in this area.... Don't get fooled by attack or initiality of a pitch, listen to sustained pitch after the initial distorted attack. When things get very very close around 1.5 hz it becomes tough depending on your focus ability (even though you CAN hear a slight difference) to determine sharp vs flat, you know they aren't exact but that's about it..  Work on focusing...


 This is ALL about acquired ability and relative pitch matching skills, It'
s learned.  Older people of course lose frequency ability with age, for physical reasons some can't do well, but most that are young, (I think younger females WOULD do best on this test (and I believe it DOES have to do with MANY reasons).
It has to do with sensitivity.  Sensitivity in this area is learned.  AND, can be learned very quickly.. Those that did poorly, try retaking this.  It would do very little good for those that scored around 97 to retake this however, I think the odds of doing better are just about slim to none.

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She hears things no one else can hear.



Same here.  Doc has me taking pills for that  :shock:


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    Try it with headphones.   If you have years of rock playing and loud music behind you, at least one ear is likely partially shot from at least partial irreversible tinitus (nerve deafness).. like mine (from years of high volume rock) you'll likely find both ears can be a liability some of the time when such acuity is important..  I don't think I could've scored as high as you did assuming I didn't have headphones, and at times the ability to block my bad ear.  Focusing at around 1.5 hz started to get tough for me anyway. That was the toughest part,  Concentrating. I doubt ANYONE can say "this is easy" assuming they scored in the top 20 percentile.  I found this VERY tough.  No piece of cake.


Assuming I have time, and not a lot of other crap going on I want to take the tempo test later-on.   Since I march to the beat of an armless drummer anyway, it'll be interesting to see if this white boyz gots any rhyd'm (at least as most know rhythm to exist as).  If they start overlapping techno-acid jazz and raggae I'm sunk.

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Steven Kaplan @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:49 pm wrote:
  I always knew you had a more sensitive ear than I have just by listening to your singing, and knowing your horn playing background.  I don't think most children her age could come near our scores.   It requires A LOT of pensive focus, and even if I were to take this last night (with a stormy PO's mind, and stress) my guess is I would've done poorer than half.  It depends on mindset, physical condition, and also how trained our ear is at current..  Here's an interesting thought for those that did around 50 to 70, and feel badly.  You can quickly develop your skills, this is a great way to do it too (thanks to Gilly)



I dunno if I have a more sensitive ear than most... I think i am "trained" to detect differences, more than your average person. (Well, average person in REAL life, not on this board). I was put in piano lessons when i was 3, and play a LOT of brass instruments, (tbone at 10), etc etc. Also, playing French horn is a GRAND test of pitch control, as it is SOoooo easy to drift in and out.. (if you understand the instrument).... so, I think I only did well because I was TRAINED to notice. Otherwise, i think i would suck:) I am partially deaf in one ear, and as a child had a lot of hearing problems. Grew up in speech therapy, which again, I think helped attune me to "listening carefully". Lol, ALSO, at three, I was unable to READ complicated music, so, my piano lessons consisted of repeating my teacher's pieces...

I am rambling. But, again, I don't get how Justy can't simply get past this test! It worries me that he can't even detect the most OBVIOUS pitch variations!


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Gilly,  Yep.  I mentioned elsewhere that I (different board) was hearing impaired up until around 5 1/2 (ear fluid buidup, abscesses, adenoids probs, of course they thought I was being stubborn and as a result I got walluped quite abit, wasn't detected until I was about 5, nobody knew it was physical, thought I was autistic or something like that I suppose), still learned piano, I also as a result had speech impediments, and having to listen carefully I suppose started me on the "relative pitch" stuff at an early age. Music was really my first language..   But still,  that was a TOUGH test.   I agree tho,  ear training in relative pitch on non-tempered instruments is crucial..  It'd be interesting to see how a Tympanist, or Concert Master would do on this  :shock:


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Although I'm no drummer, a friend who is wanted to warn me that I was going to have difficulty tuning the snare when I first bought my trap set for the studio.  It wasn't easy, but I anticipated tuning drums would be tougher than they were, only took my about 2 hours  :( , and that was the first day, second day took three... I seriously DOUBT I could tune anything in the frequency area of a Tympani..  I think the Tympanists are known to have EXCELLENT ears, aren't they ?  Tough to tune Tympani and low drums... Of course sousaphone, and Tuba IMHO never sound right anyway  LMAO ...  THose dang things can't be in tune even when they are  LOL


Oh yeah, a real drummer ended up tweaking my tuning job, and said "Not bad Kappy, you did better than most, but still, can't you hear that this is slightly off?" :O

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My results were 20th percentile I dont have a clue what that means but in the fun romance test it told me to go down to Key Largo tonight!!!!

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Karyoker,

   No probs.    In twenty years if I can hear ANYTHING, I'll be happy.  Be glad you heard tones at all when you pushed the button.  Those that grew up in the rock & roll period like we did should be happy to score in the double-digits.   That was no easy test, and my guess is unless a person has kept their ear training up, and commonly tunes either instruments or voice critically, scoring high would require A LOT of practice.   I haven't read at what age acuity of this type seriously drops off, but it will and does for ALL of us (just a matter of time).  My mom is a musician, and although she had a fabulous ear for classical, and regularly goes to concerts (at least once a week) I wouldn't have the heart to give this test to her.  People that are older CAN'T be expected to score as high,  it's physically highly improbable.  Can you still hear the high frequency sound when you walk into certain dept stores ?  Is there still one of those high frequency sounds ?   I can hear it sometimes... Other-times I hear nothing.  I think I'm hearing a real sound, dunno


unfortuneately, our senses like the rest of us are on borrowed time.  My eyes started going south over the past several years,  my ears are trying to follow suit. I'm sick of fighting this stuff and trying so hard.  In fact I can't tune the piano anymore I get too frustrated.  I'll need to call the tuner, it's worth the 100 dollar payout.  I end up going crazier than usual trying these days.  I used to be decent in this area,  now I have a tough time tuning the E string on the bridge pickup of my telecaster assuming I retaining water during that time of the month.

Oh yeah Ollie,  one other thing.  I'm SUPER tough on myself in these areas.  When I got one wrong I started beating myself up, two wrong I almost threw in the towel.  I suppose at 97% I should be happy.  In fact, assuming somebody asked me to take that test a second time I'd tell them to go to (#(@   LOL, I'm taking my 97% to the grave like some are taking their rank in SS to the grave  LOL.  Can't afford to risk a worse score.   We old farts learn when to hold, and when to fold...  LOL   I did the best I could during a time I was able to focus the best I was capable of focusing.  Now I have something to tell my grandchildren (well that's hypothetical), I mean something I can... Oh never mind :(

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This is sortuh neat if'n any of yez wish to pruse it 'n stuff



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch

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I never said this either  :shock:

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Well.. you & Kappucino did better than me ;)

I scored .7125 (still not bad eh?) 97%

Hey, at least now I have proof (sorta) that all of my critiquing where I said people were 'off pitch' is justified. ;)

Well, unless they score better'n me. hah

(also just goes to show that you don't have to be a great singer to have a good ear... but of course, you have to have a good ear to be a great singer). ;)


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According to our results Seby just about all we hear will be off-pitch.  Which is why I dont submit my work, even the damn tape-recorder I listen to my attempted singing on can't stay on pitch   LMAO


BTW,  Hope all is well  :hug:


If I were to take that test this morning, I doubt I'd have scored even top 50%, all depends on many things, such as mood, ability to focus, how angry I am at the world at any given moment, etc.

I'm locking my pitch score in my "Hearers Showcase", and from now on listening
"JFF".  I probably didn't do better than you Seby, I probably lucked out, and hit one button correctly by accident  LMAO .   That did get tough, didn't it ?  I wonder if my electronic tuner could detect stuff down to the top 1%


(Btw,  I wouldn't suggest heading into Singers Showcase and Critiquing, "Your 4th bar had a pitch that was .5 Hz off.   People might get attitudes :shock: )

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Seby hasn't even TOLD all of you guys that she popped out her kid!!!


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I believe she did awhile back Gilly.  Or is this another one ?

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She did tell everyone? Did I miss that?! And post pics of the baby and everything?!

Gawd I need to get over this sick thing.


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You guys who scored upwards of 95th percentile:

How in the world can you stand listening to our subs?  Our pitch errors that we can't even hear must drive you insane!

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I doubt many can systain an actual unison pitch Tom.  When A singer sustains a note I would SERIOUSLY doubt they can keep from going at least 1.5 Hz or greater off pitch.   I also doubt that ANYBODY can listen to two pitches that are only .6 Hz apart and nail them dead-on assuming they must sing the two pitches, Not sure the human voice is that pure a frequency anyway.   I think much of this has to do with the type of wave-form we were listening to, and I know in my case I had to listen VERY hard...  Quite honestly if we were given three choices  rather than two...  IOW

Is pitch one

Higher
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The same


I'd not have done as well.    When it got down to being in the 70 and 80% bracket the difference didn't standout and make me cringe, I had to listen hard, it was VERY difficult to discern a difference.

Another interesting thing.  Closing my eyes helped.  Blocking my visual sense helped my auditory acuity. The difference between what you can hear, and what I can hear might just come down to concentration ability at any given time.  This is variable. As I stated, those that didn't do well, listen to what you missed when you take this a second time, take the test again if you wish, it's good ear-training, no need to even use it as a test, use at as a tool to help hone in on pitch matching skills, and ability to differentiate pitch interval

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Tom Eaton @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:29 pm wrote:
You guys who scored upwards of 95th percentile:

How in the world can you stand listening to our subs?  Our pitch errors that we can't even hear must drive you insane!


Another thing...... add multiple instruments in the background, and it's a whole new ballgame. Much easier, IMO, to judge pitch a capella than with a bunch of accompaniment. Time the karaoke track is there, and everyone adds all their effects, I don't think near as many of the little pitch errors get detected. (or hell, is that just wishful thinking on MY part?) Lmao


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Dayum Steven, is somebody's redneck rubbing off on you?

(i can actually understand what you're saying now)  LOL

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Hot Dang

Get dis !   This pitch Sheeit "n stuff ?    Wel,  Weez cants exacsly gig 'n toon de axe at leejurly mood fo doing so If'n yez get mu driffed soz the spnedin of monies on a draft bere )meenin a dolar buck fiffy here, and there( makes little  even make it to even parkin lut truk. doncha know.

To be continued below 'n stuff  

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Affer maw boots up this colored )not as in bigotsy) boring TV n she switch the box to Thge Kareokie chanel here's as where I am as in prezen tense.  I likes typion this bigass-kicksin spectralgragphic Pong screne at yez an such.  Reminisent Likes havzin pentpawls in surownding naybrhuds sutch as dem blue sqaure stats, the red one over me "n maws, even folkses as far outside the doub;lewide as florda, are the poticalisists implicates it as the wel indowed stat, the hebru bucher cut no corners when circumstancing our nateshun well-hong stat. Gobner Jeb Buch doncha knows.

Oh yeah,  Poynt beinz "n Sheeit.... toen scoallastcs a seriyos lugjury, not compulsitory daylie state we can lugjuriate at, soz. Ifs to tak test as daly mesurin of tonal aptutuds meeninavrage few be up so hie you nose.  Righteous, i ned to pul over... gets redyy fo peties church&BRew hapy houro,    aktuwaly they need fixin th pothoes in thsi mane road, Tuogh to tyoe wel drivin, epsically whn the cekl fone ring.

88's and givs the res of th chilee to dog YEHaW---

sheit I thinc O jist figger out why this truck aint kickin over...  it the  wrong collar truck... I'm the redtruck, i cant semz to figger dis ruteen out... Maw says, Ambrose the truck be the same colar as I magik marker the X on yez back, any other tone aint yer truc

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Spelcheck says I spelt ambrose, righteous 'n tense really rong in stuf

I jus got the mos asskiskn thot.  Cal me telapathetic if'n u chooz, byt hav you ever thout that if tody,,,,,, The third pag 4th row of calnder MacCarthy becam prez, I still hav to go to skewl satsurdy, what nasty crapz

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Im gonna fetch my Hs Ring n show it offs

(brb, don goaway)

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Oh yeah, one nother thang,  get dis !   I goes to the Youman society and procure me a fine retreiver.  KS,  meet sassy-mae,  she one FINE-A@@ed hound ! A fine birddog she'll be my Sassy will !

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