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The topic of this thread, by the way, is not copyright issues. I know that disappoints some here, who want to make that the topic on any thread, but the topic here is succintly stated by the title -- "Start promoting karaoke and not your personal views".

You may think that means re-stating your personal opinions on the copyright issue for discussion. I think that pretty much validates the original poster's point, which is that there are people here who inject negativiity by bringing up the copyright issue anywhere at any time.

And yes, I do find it ironic that you suggest it is appropriate for random users to be the "forum police" and inject negativity by giving dire copyright warnings in any thread at any time, based merely on their individual suspicion that some illegal activity is occuring. And that somehow that addresses the negativity problem.

The "negativity' problem and "personal views", as I read it, had  EVERYTHING to do with those who go into diatribes, particuarly with BUT NOT not exclusively with newbies, regarding copyright related matters (calling them "scum" and etc)   So the original post had everything to do with COPYRIGHTl issues, and IT stated that we should avoid chastising people over them.
Is that clearer?
My post simply gave many of my reasons for supporting that viewpoint about avoiding negativity and avoiding copyright matters.  Specifically, I indicated IMHO that those who go into such diatribes don't necessarily know what they are talking about or may not be representing the best interest of kJ"s, anyway.

PER MCKYJ57
 
Stop misquoting and misrepresenting my statements.  If nothing else, I was the first on this forum TO WARN others that such postings maybe coming from the "karaoke police"! Other than that, I made no accusations contrary to what your first post following mine stated I did.
PER MY LAST POSTING ON THE MATTER

Excuse me? Here is a quote from you:


Here you unequivocally state that if you, meaning anyone, *feels* a Newbie is asking an inappropriate question, that it is all right to accuse them by implication of illegal and unethical activities. If it were a technical question on how to translate a file format or something, that would now in effect change the topic from the technical issue at hand to the illegality/unethicality that you *feel* they are engaging in. As has happened repeatedly in just the short time I have been on this forum.

Not only that, you suggest using *we*, which implies that there is some groundswell that encompasses the personal point of view you are stating.

A from-the-hip implication that someone is doing something illegal and unethical based on a person's personal feelings about a point of view is about as negative as you can get.

Note that I don't talk about something like "can someone give me a crack for this program", or "how can I P2P download all the karaoke songs". That is obviously illegal and unethical, and there is no doubt that is the point of view of not only most people here but also the forum operator. But in the case of that type of post, the forum would be best served by a moderator simply deleting the post. There is no reason for yet another person to get up on yet another soapbox and wax eloquent in their moral outrage.

Mcky57

That maybe my quote, but if you had actually read through this thread you would know what it was addressing AND WOULDN'T BE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT.  I gave you the respect and responded politely after you first post, even though it was clear to me that you were really unfamiliar with this thread.

How dare you again take what I said out of context.  Now read through the thread and you'll learn that part of the thread was intended to ask members not to scold a newbie or anyone else asking about technology that would (illegally) provide means to pirate material.  I was suggesting that I that when someone asks an 'INAPPROPRiATE QUESTION" that we on the forum SHOULDN'T PLAY KARAOKE POLICE!!!!!

HOW DARE YOU turn it around to make it appear that I said just the opposite?
you CAN READ?

Good post
Sarah

Sure I can read. You say, and I quote:


What do you expect me to say? That you didn't suggest this as a course of action, when in fact you did?

There is no context to take it in, unless you didn't actually suggest this as a course of action. Maybe you thought that such a statement would not be negative. It certainly is, because it is a complete slap in the face of anyone who is not making a bald-faced piracy request. Even were the person not making an innocent request, it begs for a response regarding copyright issues, which we don't need more of. We need less of it.

So I am saying, there is every reason that you can't say such a thing if you wish to avoid negativity and injecting that issue into every thread.

Just recently, we had a thread about a brand of disks, and right on schedule, someone injects the copyright issue into the thread just because someone mentions a brand that they *suspect* might be sold by pirates on Ebay.

MCKY57

GO BACK TO MY POINT 6) IN MY ORIGINAL POST AND TRY AGAIN
DEBATES WITH BIG DOG ARE STARTING TO APPEAL TO ME
AGAIN...HOW DARE YOU?

mckyj57, I can understand your frustration with the "forum hijacking," but actually most Dangerous sets on ebay are pirated, so at least in this one case it actually served as pertinent information.

The pirated sets are REAL cheap, like less than $40 usually.  They are gold with red stencil.  They actually look pretty good, from a "manufactured look" perspective, but they are fakes...

I am sure you believe it is pertinent. I may even believe it's pertinent. The problem is, everyone thinks their particular info is pertinent.

I watched "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader" last night for the first time.  So, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there are people who have poor comprehension ability when it comes to the English language. At least two herein

And thank you Sarah, for acknowledging for me that at least someone beside karyoker, a few others and myself understood why this thread was started!

Which is why I spent so much money on Snap-On, Matco, Cornwell, and Mac Tools.  Damn trucks stopped coming around .    Craftsman is good this way tho.  You bring the tool back, and they give you a new one on the spot, additionally, Sears is a lot easier to find than these danged vendors and their trucks once they get relocated.  LMAO



Seriously Billy D,  you brought up a few interesting analogies comparing the issue of "Royalties" with a Dr's work, Mechanics work, manufacturers patented products etc. Really, what defines fair ? What should and should not be charged for,  or taxed etc, what is "fair market" ? It gets into a WHOLE subjective area of what is fair exchange.  It makes for interesting thinking material.  Need to sleep on this

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Just like free trade. Some people confuse free trade with fair trade, though they are father apart than the various reasons we've been given for destroying the only country that stood in the way of Iran becoming the dominant power in the middle east. A large percentage of people that vote, can't comprehend(or won't try to think about the reprocutions) of the ideals of the people they vote for. Some will even take things posted on the web as gospel.......they get to vote.........the government rarely sides with the people, when it's against big business. When they do, it's usually a slap on the wrist.......I can go on and on, but what's the use......they still get to vote.....

Kappy. Nice one.
Everyone else, (bar a few) ITS SARAH.
Remember, you like going for my throat.
Stop beating each other up and pick on me.

You all seem to mean similar, but because your slants are differant, you are beating each other up over nothing.

Push comes to shove you are on the same side.
It's Semantics.
Running for cover now.
SARAH
(NOT JERRY)

Billy D
Good post.
I can say that. We dont have the Patrioct Act.
Brave man
Sarah

Havnt you sniped at me???