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You know, these forums are so dead nowadays, that I'm not even going to post my question until I see if any of you all are alive out there, tuned in, and willing to help...

I need help with a multi track issue. (i just need to know WHAT setting i need to use)

Any takers, before I spend too much time posting the question?

Going once...

Going twice...

*still here waiting*  LMAO

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Bear Tracks???

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Yes..... or maybe it's a cougar, I'm not too smart about these things. All I know is, they're BIG tracks.... and they're scary.  :shock:

Silly man:)

Can ya help me, or not?

(and no, you don't need your .30-06... haha)

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If I remember right you use CEP which is a lil different than what I use it depends upon  what your question is (I assume It is about recording)

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multi track issue with what software/hardware?

I use Cool Edit Pro, yes, but this is a "general" question. I know WHERE to find all the settings, I just don't know WHICH one I need to use. Anyone who knows about running equipment should know what kind of setting I need to mess with.... which, I can find in CEP. I've played with half the stuff in there, with not the best results.

I'm doing a duet. The person who's on the other end of the song, always has very decent recordings in SS. The vocal track had to be compressed to MP3 prior to sending to me, and I don't know if THAT is what did it, but it sounds like he's singing in a cardboard box. I don't want to ask him to redo it, cause the singing is terrific. It just somehow lost quality in the compressing and sending to me.

I can't get our vocal tracks to sound "together". It's sounds WAY too much like we did our parts on opposite sides of the moon. My vocals are pretty much "out front" sounding, even if I lower my vox (volume wise), you can still tell. It sounds like I sang into the mic, and he was down the hall singing. ( a long, bare, echoey hall) It's very noticeable when I play the tracks together, even with the same effects used, I can't get them to sound compatible....... too big of a difference in how they were recorded I guess.

I just need to know if there's something you can use to make a pre recorded vocal track sound more "up close and personal". Am I making any sense?

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I guess I should have been more clear. It's an "effects" issue I guess. I'm sure there's some kind of filter in there that can make it come out more like I want it, but I don't know where to start. I know NOTHING about those kinds of things. I get passable recordings with adding a bit of reverb & echo, and I never mess with the other stuff.

(and, on a side note, before you ask.... we BOTH had the same karaoke track... it's a popular song, so nobody "shared" it)  LOL

(this instance anyhow)


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Its hard to mix a vocal wav with vocal compressed The first incilination is to expand his vocal if you have that capability. Another suggestion is mix the vocals only with the back muted and apply eq and FX to each to taailor to match..  Anything to make his quiets quiter and louds louder (expansion) Is yours compressed if not try a little compression on it.. You always want to track a vocal into wav mp3 sucks....

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Ollie, you're talking greek nonsense to me.

Sounds like you're RIGHT.... But I don't know how to do that.

How to "expand his vocal"?  :drunk: Can I simply open it up, then save it back as a wav? That wont work, will it? (i told ya, the girl's not too bright about this kind of stuff)



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I dunno HOW...

I guess maybe this is hopeless, I'll just sub it as is, and do the best I can. Maybe if I resing it and stand across the room....??..... atleast they would sound more "alike":)

(if all else fails)

This is a song I've REALLY been wanting to get time to do, and it's making me mad that I DON'T know more about using CEP effects.  :banghead:

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Another suggestion  If I had it hear I would run it thru a bbe 362 and aphex 204 to get some of the bass back into it and re-record into a wav. That would be the best route if you have those procs... Other than that have him retrack it into wav...

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I don't like what I want to say but it may be worth a try. Save your vox and compressed it to the same bitrate as your singing partner vox. Then import it back to CEP. This sound way out and most likely will not work.

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I'm gonna try a couple more things like that..... using ANY of the settings in CEP doesn't seem to be working. I wanted to avoid asking him to send it over again. I think he SAVED it as wav, he just couldn't SEND it that way. Yahoo is wierd sometimes with mail attachments.

Jian, I may try that, I didn't even attempt sainv MY vocal that way, then reopening it..... you might be onto something.

Gotta log off for the day, thanks you all... have a good night.  :wave:

And Ollie, ONE of these days, I'm gonna twist YOUR arm into dueting with me:)

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I strongly suggest you get drunk and forget it.  The human race is doomed, dying of its own stupidity and moral decay.  Otherwise....

You will need to get two dry (without effects) vocal tracks one his, one yours and then mix that with effects and your backing track (no additional effects).  MP3 is a lossy format so don't use it for this purpose.  If size is the problem just have him zip his WAV file so you don't lose anything.  Then all will be well....

Except for the bit about doom and moral decay.

 :shock:  :shock:

Sounds like you need a beer:)

C'mon over and I'll share mine.

He couldn't get Yahoo to send it through as a wav, not sure if he knows about YouSendIt, or zipping, or any of that. Guess I'll have to contact him tomorrow if I don't figure something out.



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For big file I use  http://www.yousendit.com/

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Just have him send you the entire .WAV file of his vocal unzipped by YouSendIt like others have mentioned.  Zipping audio or video files doesn't reduce their size by much at all.  It'd be better to just leave the .WAV file unaltered.

Oh yeah, Exweedfarmer is right about the human race being doomed part.  But until then, let's just keep partying like it's 1999!  LOL  

Charmin sorry about the short answer yesterday This ol adled senile mind was buried in web design,,  

It is hard to chorus 2 vocals during moixdown esp if one has been super compressed by converting to mp3.. The fisrt step is bouncing the vocals down into a stereo track... To even make an attempt it takes several bounce downs at various volume levels to match each level to each other.. Since his quality was reduced ate the low volume levels the lows have to shelfed and boosted and blended with your lows (EQ) Take his original track and reduce it 3 db Using trial and error play back your trsck with his and tweak his bass and using volume envelopes try to match the low volume levels word by word.. Cheat on yours some and bring it up..

Ok at this time you might have 2 or 3 tweaked tracks and you are playing them back together and monitoring with some fairly decent head phones keep tweaking .. Now when you are  mixing down use about 10-15% chorus..  As the desired results are obtained mix and bounce these track down into another track If a single track is making it worse reduce the level or even mute it..

At some point you might approach the limits of your computer by too many tracks Mute some of the earlier ones that are not helping at this point.. It is a long and drawn out process but with patience and a good ear you can gradually get mostly what you want...

Take the original track set the peak volume to match his to yours using volume envelopes match volumes word by word. and repeat the above steps and shelf his highs to match to yours using EQ to blend the vocals again..

Then using the right volume levels on his tracks I would route through my mixer and restore some harmonics and lows with a 362 and 204 proc and retrack into a wav file..

Now the best is have him retrack into a wav but to really chorus the vocals you will need to use the same tecniques only it will be alot easier with a wav file..  When you get the above approximated then use more and more chorus to blend the vocals and using several tracks and adjusting the level on each one or try muting various ones etc..  Then you can experiment with verb and flange Remember you tweak plaing back and with positive results or improvements bounce those tracks   down into a another  track  

Mastering is then done to set the final volumes and end up with the final track...Ih you are doing this for a cd them you export into a wav burn cd then try on the cd in your pickup and others.. Id it isnt quite right you go back and tweak some more!!!!

As far as the duet I have to sing 2 or 3 songs to get the pipes going and I never could record in  studio I need the crowd energy.. The more the better.. I hope this helps more and maybe taught you a little bit.. It is hard to mixdown a vocal with backing and chorusing vocals even harder!!!!

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Nah, you were helpful Ollie, ya always are....

Just cause I was bumming around for the day, doesn't mean I expected everyone else to be here just to answer my questions. (men at my beck and call? Lmao, THERE is a nice thought)

I finally gave up on it, and deleted my vocal track and just closed out of it. I was getting too frustrated, and frankly... by the time I listened to my OWN vocal that many times I started thinking "ewww... I can do a better track than that". So I was doomed to sing it over anyhow:) I think I'll ask him to send it again (the wav version he has).... and I'll have to break down and give him my "secret" email addy, which is not Yahoo.... then maybe it will not have a problem coming through.

Also, someone mentioned me sending the vocal track to him, so I'm gonna do that, and see what he thinks. He's much better at adjusting vox than I am.

Thanks Ollie... I'm gonna have to get back "over yonder" soon, my Cabaret Crown is rusting, I've been away so long:)  I did see how you were dressing the place up really nice though.


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Nice try.

You can't get out of it that easy, I'm a pretty persistent person.

Tell ya what, I'll send you a track of me whooping and hollerin' (i can sound like a whole crowd if I put my heart and soul in it)..... then you can listen to that while you record, and it'll be all the same as singing out live.

haha... I'm kidding. But I do want to hear you sing one of these days. Just- put your headphones on, start the music, close your eyes, and pretend you're singing on stage. Hell, it's been working for my daydreaming little mind for years:)

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I need to setup my mixer somewhere besides my small apt.. If we get whooping and hollerin over here  I got a one legged neighbor that starts pounding on the wall with his cane  LOL (Im serious)

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