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ok i know some are able to make karaoke tracks by eleminating the voice off cd tracks, can this be done with cool edit i have win amp with the pace maker plug in. it says it has a voice elimnator but it doesnt seem to work?
Thanks
Dennis

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Yes and No.
Yes, Cool Edit has that facility...

On some tracks you can reduce the vocals.
You usually reduce more than just the vocals.
It depends how the track has been recorded.

Vocal reduction works by removing the centre of a stereo recording.
Some producers put vocals in the middle,
some producers may e.g. pan the vocals left, and the vocal fx right.

Its hit and miss. Mostly miss, but it can work.

dennis listen to find the river I did that with cool edit hon Stipe's vocals  would be one of the most difficult to clear cos of the amount of reverb he uses. I personally dont think it satisfactory to use at a gig but see what you think

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I was into that and attempting to suppress voice, before I realized there are so many good pre-made cdg's. I have DART and had MTU. It works a little bit. It depends on the original recording and if it is truly center track and how compressed it is already. It also depends on your skills, time available for tinkering, and how good of tools you have. Most of mine weren't all that good, but some were usable a bit. It is a bit time consuming - especially the old version of DART I was using.

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You will find all the software
programs are not that differant.

Although...
I really object to those sites advertising

This is the best vocal remover ever...
our secret process...

They LIE... They just want to steal your money.

Free ones can be just as good.

Dennis I know you have the orig CD when you rip it do so as a wave file so as its uncompressed. then attempt to take the vocal out. The less compression the more you are likely to remove.

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thanks guys, my fav song is remember the tinman by tracy chapman, and there doesnt seem to be a backing (cdg or midi even) for it
Dennis

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I will sing and make music with all my soul. Psalms 108:1

True they all work on the same principal.

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just be careful.  publicly using a "backing track" you've created by striking the vocals from a copyrighted source could land you in some trouble.

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Wana buy a cheap laptop.
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how cheep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Would probably cost more to ship it.

I've tried to devocalize with audacity but it's pretty lame in that function. the best you can get for devocalizing in my opinion is Goldwave I devocalize a track then save it then I make a bass pass set around 200 save that then do a quickmix with audacity that'll give you the best possible result. But remember most songs won't work only a handful.

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 I agree completely. Sometimes you have to further reduce just the vocals in Audacity, and I usually make a percussion track for the areas where the vocals were removed as that often suffers as well from reducing vocals.
 I agree with Jerry too about those ripoff programs that claim to do so much. I just tried MTU's Vogone v3 last night and it's just as much a piece of crap as their other proggys.
 Also. Morgan is right - if you have the CD, *always* make a wav rip and use that. If you have to use an mp3, STAY AWAY from 128 bitrate - they're awful. Use 192 and up.

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B dahlin everything I learned I learned from you! errrrrrr well about Devocalising anyway  LMAO

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I have tried several devocalizer and none really works perfectly. The way it works is that supposedly, the main vocal is recorded evenly between the right and left channels. So, what they do is subtract whatever is equal from both channels, thus removing the main vocal. Theoretically it works, reality is different.

First, because of effects, like reverb, the main vocal is not equally distributed between the two channels. So you will also hear slight echoish ghost of the main channel. This effect is worse if you rip your original music in mp3 format, since apparently mp3 does not synchorize the left and right channels well. I would definitely use format other than mp3 for it.

Another problem is that you can eliminate more of the vocals by using frequency filter in the mid range area where typical main vocals record. They use this to further reduce the main vocal. Unfortunately, you lose a lot of mid range in instrument as well as the main vocal. You may want to boost the mid range after as much of the main vocal has been eliminated.

Best I was able to achive was very low echoish main vocal in very low volume. I was never able to completely remove the main vocal but if you sing the main vocal, you can hide a lot of that so it may be worth it.

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Eban my friend B-flat has had amazing results, if a song can be devocalised he will do it. He doesnt claim to do it with all but my goddess I have several tracks that are so clean you would not believe that there was ever a voice

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Every devocalizer works on the same premise - completely dependant on the way the orignal song was recorded.
Vocal eliminators search for like frequencies on each channel - which vocals are generally equal on both channels.  However, many instruments can also be panned equal (straight up) on both channels & those will be equally eliminated - most commonly bass guitar, kick drum, snare drum, some guitar solos, some keyboards, some background vocals.  Even the best prgrams can't get those back.

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like I said it doesnt work for all Lonman, but B has enough knowlege to have actually re-created some of the lost bass drums etc and replaced them, the results of some of his work is nothing short of stunning, I can send you an example if you wish

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