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Yep, I forgot. You're a genius too Michael. You've stated all along it's tainted.

But you have to admit it's also interesting...  :roll:  :shock:

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The Truth Is Out There

Ain't no Comet or Ajax gonna get that taint out either!  :D

Note to self:  

(Make up mind.  You are a Conservative, the "compassionate" attempts or pseudo-liberal rant suits you about as nicely as a loud fart during a sunday church service)

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Note from self:


Zip it with the crass analogies you festering carbuncle of erudition ~




(OK,  Kappy is now in bed,  we can type in here without that old pompous blathering fool)

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

OMG!!!!  After reading through all of this, I have found why Steven and myself disagree so much about Karaoke.  Steven you are on one far extreme of what you think Karaoke should be, and I am on the opposite far extreme end of what you think Karaoke should be.

This is where the problem is.....For people like me who already knew the pros had there musical outlet.....Karaoke came along for people like me who knew that we could never be serious musicians or singers and make it to the big time....and it was "PROMOTED AS SUCH"!!!!! "TO PEOPLE LIKE ME"!!!!

"Karaoke in my area was promoted like this":

Karaoke!!!! Fun for the whole family...Where you can be a star!!!!

It was "Promoted"... to people like me that Karaoke was for those who had the desire to be Singers...But knew it was never going to happen and so...Here with "Karaoke" "We who desire to be pro but cannot due to lack of talent or due to other real life situations"...."We cannot ever become Pro...But here with Karaoke" ...WE can have fun with our love for music and have our fantasy of wanting to be a star!!! AND...For those few minutes up on stage in a "karaoke setting"..."We" unpolished wanna be singers can have a moment of Glory as we pretend to please the crowd...."With our fake band...."Karaoke"!!

It gives people like me "unpolished" wanna be singer Pro's....That illusion, "That fulfillment of a dream".....I say DREAM>>>As in my screen name dreamer!!!
and thats where I got it from because "I" know that "I" can dream but will never be a  "Pro"!!!

My screen name dreamer comes from the fact that I dream of being a "star" a so called..."Pro singer"....But realistically "I" know that "I" can never achieve that "DREAM"....Because of people like you who are so perfectionistic that you cannot and will not be able to enjoy a "Unpolished" performance by someone like "me" who cannot ever achieve that "Perfection"....and therefore that is why people like "Me" claim karaoke is for us...."Because Real Pro's have there venue for professional music"....But we "unpolished" ..."wanna be" "dreamers" who aspire to be and want to be...and dream of being"..."But will most likely never ever become" what we wish to be as singers and performers"...FOR PEOPLE LIKE US>>>"We" claim karaoke as for people like us because it was "PROMOTED" AS "Karaoke">>>where anyone can be a star!!!!!!----------be it in your own mind or in front of a drunk crowd in a Bar!!!!

Karaoke is Karaoke to people like me....."AND" to have Karaoke on the Internet is no different to people like me....Because to people like me it is still "Karaoke" which was "PROMOTED" as fun for the whole family...Even if you cannot carry a tune in a bucket and you sing like crap!!!!!!! It was "PROMOTED" AS FUN FOR ALL!!!! TO US HERE WHERE WE LIVE.....And that is why we take karaoke the way we do.

With that being said.....People like me take "karaoke" serious in the fact that we are competing against other people like ourselves who are "unpolished" "wanna be" but most likely never will be Pro's!!!!!

So...Therefore when we "Unpolished" "Wanna be" singers are forced to compete against real Pro's then we get upset because the Pro's are stepping into "OUR" venue for music and for "US" to have to be competing with "Pro's"....That is not fair to us!!

For "Us" "Karaoke was for "Us" because the "Pro's" already had there venue for there serious love for the "Performing arts"....But "Karaoke" was "Promoted" to people like "Us"...and that is why we feel the way that people like "Us" feel about karaoke!!!!

It is wonderful that serious musicians or singers can use "Karaoke" as a tool to help you in what ever way it helps you!!!!  That is fine and wonderful!!!


But when "Karaoke" is taken over by "SERIOUS" "PRO"S ....Where are we supposed to go????? Because of the way it was "Promoted" "we" thought is was for people like us!!!!!!

Now how are we supposed to have fun when the serious Pro's come along and take what was "Promoted" to be for us...."for Fun" For the whole family" even if you can sing or not!!!!  "AND That throws out your must be 95% perfect performance theory!

"It"..."Karaoke" was "PROMOTED" as for people like "Me"....So then if we are forced to think of karaoke as Steven kaplan does....Then "We" have no where to go...and are forced to give up karaoke all together!!! ....Because we cannot meet the demands of "Perfectionism" by the "POLISHED PRO"S"!!!!!

So yeah...I think there needs to be a area or site made for the "Serious Pro's".

And a area or site for others like "Me"..."who wanna be but are not serious" due to what ever reasons.

Because.....It seems that the "serious pro's" and "serious karaoke singers" ...Do clash because you serious pro's want one thing...For the unpolished and unperfect performers to stop performing because we make fools out of our selves because we are not 95% perfect or polished like a "PRO"

So since "Us karaoke singers" are not up to par with you pefectionist pro's expectations...The we are just supposed to give up and go away.  :(

Well...it's working because "I" cannot sub a song of mine even though I am a paying member because the fun factor was taken away....Now "I" am expected to be as good as a polished pro!!!!   I might as well give up...because that just will never happen!!!!  But sorry....karaoke was promoted to people like me as to let us have our fantasy and now you want to change that??? YES THAT IS VERY OFFENSIVE TO ME AND YES IT MAKES ME ANGRY....and feel rejected because something that was aimed at people like me is being taken over by washed up pro's and I dont like the freaking expectations of perfectionist washed up pros!!!!!

Don't be angry....I just simply disagree with you Steven,... and like yourself "Nothing can change the way I feel about this".

I understand Dreamer.

That's likely how it was promoted.  As it became really big,  those that wanted to be able to sing, and PRO'S alike participated.  Fact is,  you do have ALL different ability levels singing,  When Karaoke becomes as big as it has, and there are contests, and ALL ability levels are going out to bars HOW do you exclude pro-level ability singers, why would people wish to ?  You don't BUT, they should NOT be competing against just for fun singers EVER...

This is my concern about the way SS is currently set-up. It CAN be viewed by some as a BROAD SPECTRUM ability arena where nonsingers and pro-ability singers are entering competition. Pro's and those like myself that can't sing (but were professional musicians using Karaoke as a training tool) are side by side in a competitive atmosphere (ranking system makes this as such)... Critique within itself SHOULD NOT..

Yes,  there should be a categorization for pro amateurs (which exist in ALL areas of art and sports alike),  retired professional singers that find Karaoke ALSO to be a fun activity and convenience, and something they are exposed to, and requested to partake in JUST in lieu of the fact that THEY GO TO BARS TOO about.  Listen to Singers Showcase,  it's an example of this.  There IS talent in Karaoke...


All can exist in Karaoke,  having both extremes (as you say) thrust into one competitive category can have it's drawbacks..

I DO understand what you are saying,  I don't disagree.  ALL ability levels exist within Karaoke now-adays..  It's an activity that became VERY big excluding nobody,  This means hack KJ's and Pro-singers alike getting into the activity.. So what can be "the more the merrier", also has certain drawbacks..

Maybe Karaoke IS NOT designed for we serious artists, it wasn't promoted as such, true. Maybe when those of us that are serious see the term "critique" we get confused, and it has all sorts of PTSS triggers associated with it from OUR rigorous upbringing  LMAO.

Fact is, things promoted certain ways evolve over time, intent never being to EXCLUDE any ability level. When you get MANY involved in an area, you also get many ability levels.

You brought up an EXCELLENT point !

Here's an example OF that opposite end of the spectrun though.  AND, I understand how *MY TYPE* alienates you regarding "Karaoke",  TAKE A LOOK at SS however.  HOW many in SS "can't sing" or are "hack singers" ?  Truth is VERY VERY few.  Although there is a cross-section, some are industry ability level vocalists, and in some cases SOME are even better (in terms of ability than what we hear on commercial radio).. So,  How representative of "Karaoke being for non-singers" is the Singers Showcase assuming it's "just Karaoke" the way you wish it to exist Dreamer ?

When I discovered Karaoke existed (2001), or perhaps better phrasing would be, when I started to care about the area of entertainment and went to a venue that had it, MOST on stage (my first night out which was Sunday night or veteran blues singer night) WERE professional ability singers.  I never knew Karaoke as something for those that can't sing,  While I know now that THAT is how it was initially promoted from hearing many of you say this here... I was never exposed to that type marketing.

Perhaps a compromise WOULD be, "Musicians welcomed BUT keep your attitudes outside our fun venue"  LOL.  I could accept that, I suppose I have little choice.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Hi its nice meeting you all...
I dont know what happends in this site ..cours ..newbies....but i do know  that other sites have hired  persons with the right skill to judge and critiz...if you want to be critisitez ups my english...(bad in writing) than you post a song to that  forum..it will return to you as a pm with his/theres...correction..advise...and meaning...its not for public to see ...i think this is a fair way of doing critic...sure ..if whom ever should be critizicing everyone..well fine  but..for me it would not be serious...i would more hear it from ppl with right skills to do so..and get serious advise to improve..and how i can do that...not only(it sucks) mad mix...bla bla..that does not help anyone to improve anything...guiding..advicing it the key...and the biggest point..other members cant see what the judging was..they dont even know you have postet it.. its only for you..so whatever they say..other cant attac you ...but sure other member can say things ..but not do the deep critiz of your subs...so if you wanna be critizites even though for fun...well you go...if proff wants it..they go...so its fair..i dont know how the critic works here..ups i posted my song on C ...wonder what happends...im agree to...dont post subs to any critiz if youre not ready....to take it..none...sings perfect...its some way reason to critiz anyone...but i think it should be a choise....as this way gives you.....than..you dont become unpopular..when and if you critiz a member...if thats the way in here..that anyone can critizise you..well its unseriouse...and sure as chaime said..some get upopulare..if they do  C comment..i dont think it should be up to us singers..than i meen the serious part of critic...that should be taken to a different level....as a possebilety to the members...hmm cant quit get it right in english...difficult to point my stuff the right way...but im agree with many things Steve said...and chaime said...music is beautiful...karaoke is fun....and keep it that way....hugs and regards Linda39

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KEEP SINGING EVERYONE, IT ALLWAYS GIVES YOU A GOOD MOOD!

Linda, my viewpoint has been exactly the same as yours ever since I have been on this site...

Assuming people remained mature and used descretion regarding this area,  there'd be few problems.  This means both Critiquing party, and receiving party alike.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I literally have at least 40 pairs of the better quality (I think) magnavision glasses, from .75 up to about 3X.  I practically live in these things now (while sitting in front of the computer monitor),  usually about 1.25-1.75 for viewing my 19 inch monitor. There's a downside to these things however, I get so used to them, (and at around late 40's and 50's eyes start to go assuming they haven't already) I at times feel more comfortable walking around in these things assuming they are a relatively lower power... Taking them off requires an adjustment period,  I've never needed glasses or worn prescription glasses prior, (always had excellent vision), two days ago (one of many incidents) I was going to close my blinds, eyes were out've focus (assuming they weren't though, my brain usually is) and somehow my big toe got wedged in my plant watering container, twisting the (#(#@ out've my ankle, bruising my toes, but luckily I rebounded on the opposite foot and was able to regain balance,  had that not been the case, I could've busted toes, ankle, and kneck pretty badly... I've also not allowed my eyes an adjustment period following the removal of these magnifier glasses, and have missed steps and gone flying down staircases.... Those of you that have worn glasses for awhile know how to adjust to these things, and have likely been taught about wearing glasses..  I never went to an eye doctor... So I'm learning literally from hard knocks what happens when our eyes go (along with our brain too)... I'm walking into all sorts of things. needing to drop envelopes to the floor in order to read the small print I can't see close up, etc..  This sucks

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Well Hi there Steve....since i was the last one who posted a comment here i guess you are pointing at me,and if not, sure someone else when you talk about mature and discretion....well i have kept both....i posted my sight to this thread as everybody else did...and if you are not agree with me or anyone...well thats ok ,but it does not make me or anyone else unmature????we all have to respect one and another....right...we may have different meanings and practise around things...its ok to judge song sub...but to judge someones personality without knowing ...thats kind of a unmature behavior...smiling....but than again it don't hit hard at all than i talk for me....but i wonder? in your last statement here....did you meant us all who posted and joined this thread???... than the unmature and lack of discretion ..include yourself....or is it just all besides you?????got  confused when i saw the last post of yours...i saw disagreements in this thread..but not unmatured...

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KEEP SINGING EVERYONE, IT ALLWAYS GIVES YOU A GOOD MOOD!

Where do you draw the line between someone who is being perfectly honest with a critique sub and someone who is being rude about it?  Granted there are times when someone says outright, "YOU SUCK" and yeah that's obvious.  But what if you honestly didn't like the sub?  What should you say? I guess it's all in the eyes of the reader.  My mother always taught me," if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".  This is pretty much my philosophy.  

-... there are gonna be people who can't hold a tune in a bucket  That is what I think makes it so great.  In a perfect world we'd all be Aretha Franklin or Barry White.... and honestly that would get so boring so fast.  Variety is the spice of life hee hee.  

Okay but back to what Michael originally posted.  I honestly don't understand why someone would sub a "my throat's sore, I'm pitchy, or I've had my vocal cords cut" as a critique anyway... but if they do I just assume ok you know THAT"S what's wrong so lemme see if there's anything helpful I can say.  Instead of telling people what they do wrong, I try to suggest things... like," I bet this would sound even better if you took the key down a step", or " You know you really should try the song so and so by what's her face".  I guess I just try to be as nice as real as possible while conserving some class.... and if I feel I'll just stick my foot in my mouth.... yeah I don't say a word

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[scroll][glow=darkorchid]~I'm the girl your mother warned you about~[/scroll][/glow]

Linda sweety Steven wasnt getting at you honey. This particular subject has had a lot of abuse of recent time is all. You are a valuable addition to SS and Steven is too nice to get at anyone in particular

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Topic of thread:  "critique or ranking"  
     


Solution to delemma:  Assuming people remained mature and used descretion regarding this area,  there'd be few problems.  This means both Critiquing party, and receiving party alike.


(Some of you are reading between lines.  There's nothing printed where you are reading.)

The whole process of Critique and Rank involves having a mature grasp of etiquette,  psychology, and realizing that when we type something in these rooms, critique another persons ARTISTIC work, ego is involved, and another person reads what we type !

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

reading between the lines??

Here???

I'm shocked Steven ... that would never happen would it?

I see things haven't changed at casa SS... ...  

ah well..  :wave:  hey all.. I'm here.. I"m not causing problems.. and now I"m gone again

who was that sequined woman?  :shock:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

  I mean assuming it did happen "n stuff




I don't know, but she gave me a Cubic Zirconia

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

shhhhhh I think she has other things on her mind today

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Hi, Michael. I like to give criticism, and I certainly don't mind receiving it, but people don't really seem to want it. At first I was honest, but then I got blasted a bit. So then I would put "email me if you want critique" and nobody did...so I came to the conclusion that nobody really wants it. I took many years of voice lessons and would be happy to critique anyone that wants it..but you can't then get insulted by it. Anyone who takes lessons or gets critique must be open to constructive criticism and not be thin-skinned.

That's my two cents, for what they're worth

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

You should've added to that

    "After looking up the definition of the term critique,  they'll be a 72 hour
      waiting period.  If after three days you still believe you can handle scrutiny and
      opinions as to what can stand improvement, Email me"


   


     (It's always best to do a background check on the person asking for critique.
       Make certain there's no recent past history of violence, or mental illness, no
       involuntary hospitalizations within the past 15 years, no arrests for criminal
       activity, etc)

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".