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Thanks for getting me back on the right path, Jian...I'll have to go chastise Vicki for leading this semi-newbie poster astray.  

Debs you can chastise me any day  :hug:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

This is currently how things are in SS
This was just INCREDIBLE. I simply LOVED it!!=  10+++++
I really enjoyed this tune! = 10++
really enjoyed this tune! = 10
Decent effort, keep practicing to make it even better! = 10
It was OK. =9.99
This one didnt do much for me, maybe a different one would be better=9.9
This REALLY SUCKED!! DONT EVER SING IT AGAIN!! =9.5

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kappy you are prone to exaggeration  LMAO

This is currently how things are in SS
This was just INCREDIBLE. I simply LOVED it!!=  10+++++
I really enjoyed this tune! = 10++
really enjoyed this tune! = 10
Decent effort, keep practicing to make it even better! = 10
It was OK. =9.99
This one didnt do much for me, maybe a different one would be better=9.9
This REALLY SUCKED!! DONT EVER SING IT AGAIN!! =9.5

everyone knows there are no fractions here  :whistle:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I agree that the ranking numbers need to go.  I learned very early when I first joined SS that a 9 is not acceptable to some who are striving for a whole list of 10 ratings  on their list of songs.  I remember when I gave somone a 9 on a song and they waltzed over to my songs and gave me a 7 on an established 10 rating, lowering the average.  It was revenge!  LOL  It's so silly, that someone would be hurt because I ruined their perfect score(s). After that I realized that the rating system is flawed.  Now I only give 10's but it has to be perfect in my opinion. This happens rarely because I'm really picky.  :D

yep Connie I had the same experience  LMAO
I swear some folk get outta bed come to their puters and think "what shall I do today? Ohhhh I know I think I will go mess up someone perfect scores"  LMAO

But like you I have never considered myself a 10, so whatever makes someones day is fine by me.

Actually one very amusing instance I recall a month or two ago I was very careful to put in my description of a sub that there was nothing subtle in the lyrics and for a person with delicate sensitivities not to listen.
Well of course they had to listen and they had to comment and they had to take the score from 10 down to bout 6 I think it was hilarious

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

You have to work VERY hard to break up that perfect rating! As I mentioned on another thread, I had a submission up where the accompaniment was 4 whole notes higher than the key I was singing in, had enough reverb to cause loss of balance in small animals and bass up high enough to poke your eyes out if you stood too close to the speakers.  Nine comments, 8 raves, and a perfect "10" ranking.  Frankly, the ranking of "10" (Perfect) is impossible, nothing is perfect, especially something so subjective as musical performance.  It's ridiculous.

I have to say, honestly, one of my songs was subbed under someone else's name once just to see what else someone had to say about her, and they ripped it to shreds thinking it was her lmao. we had a good laugh about it, and then moved on. then the friend who subbed my song came into my profile 2 times and left criptic comments about songs i had done(going under & wuthering heights)leaving me speechless of course,cause i didn't know what she meant. she never said she liked them or not just what is this? i do like the ranking system tho, sorry but i do. i remember when i first got here and read the criteria for the ranks and was so freakin' happy that i got an 8 or even a 7.6, now i get 10's when i still know they aren't perfect. i really would prefer honest ranking and if i can't get that then i like the wordy "that was wonderful ... i loved it!" to perfect when i don't deserve it . i also like the idea of changing the critique option to constructive feedback like Foxe i believe it was stated in the other thread.

just my $.02 again.

~~HUGS~~ Angie.

hi Vickie, yes dear i'm sticking my nose in again .

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When putting up a submission on SS in the "C" ("critique and ranking") category, it would be easier on the listener to make a constructive comment if the performer didn't qualify it with reasons why the sub is not up to snuff in their estimation to start with (I had a cold, flu, sore throat, was pitchy throughout, not the best backing, not my best job but here it is anyway, the mix is a bit screwed up but try not to notice, etc.).  I see this modus operandi utilized on a nearly routine basis with some singers on SS who submit their songs under the "C" level (not that comments usually reflect any of the self-imposed vocal/mix deficits already noted by the performer or the performer getting 9's and 10's almost exclusively--figure dat out!)

It is impossible to give good constructive criticism under those conditions ("Well, I THINK if and when your cold clears up you MIGHT be able to hit that or this note...", etc.)

huh? when have I never welcomed your opinion Ange?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I am going against the grain here, but I have no problem with rank and critique really. We all have the option to not use it any time we wish. Like Chuck mentioned I like the opportunity to put something out there and find out if people really liked it or not. This is similar to when I go to karaoke. I don't just go to get drunk and sing like crap - although I probably started out that way  LMAO . When I go to karaoke I like to do a good if not great job. When I go to sing karaoke there are no doubt some folks that just suck, but this could be their first day to get up there and sing. I'm never down on any of these people. Sometimes though there are memorable performances. These would be people that sing as good or better than the commercial artist and occasionally I do see these. That is inspirational to me, and what I aspire to. I love to sing, and always have, and whenever I do it I try and learn and improve. A lot of pleasure can be derived from this.

No doubt such a system can be abused. I don't know if there is a solution. Personally I would like a very fair and consistent ranking and critiquing method but it will always be as different as the different people that rank you. With American Idol you can see how different judges react differently.  Now I think Simon Cowell is obviously rude, and obnoxious, but his reviews are often genuine. It helps to know your reviewer and know who is reviewing you. From what I've seen though he's not always objective either and is often biased by the type of music, or the looks of the person. That said on SS if they know that you know who they are they will likely go easy on you because they have to live with you on the forums. Also the people that rank and critique you really have to have the skill to do it properly.

I agree I probably have no need of a rank or critique if it is meaningless. I think the challenge is to find a solution that brings value to the individual and to the Showcase / Forum.

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True, but it's also bad to tell the Emperor that you love his clothes when he is in fact - naked.

Kindness has it's place, but so does truth, and constructive criticsm which is necessary for growth.

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I watched that part, and agree. There could have been some type of birth defect there, and such name calling is pathetic. Simon lost a lot of credability in my opinion when he did that.

If we met someone like Simon in real life we'd hate them on a personal level. I have experienced people like that and that about sums it up. To be so conceited, rude, and arrogant just speaks volumes of what type of person he is. Unfortunately it seems that many get off on the power trip though. Remember the old book "Winning Through Intimidation". Truth is people love and respect power and are somewhat awed by it. Most people are good hearted and so can't understand such ruthless behaviour, but they know it gets results. It's a sad day when we have to resort to that type of behaviour to make ourselves look like something important in other people's eyes.

As Christ said, "He that is least, is greatest".

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Couldnt agree more Bill.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Perhaps a better choice of words than perfect would be "Wow, I was totally impressed!"

While perhaps true nothing is "perfect" as is said "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", and "everything is relative". In some ways things could be "perfect", but the concept of perfection itself is somewhat abstract.

Bill

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Hi All,
I haven't been here long, but I think it is currently set up to make everyone happy. There are options for subbers to not be critiqued, there are option for subber to be critiqued. There are options for comments, replies to those comments, etc...

So far I've only encountered the kindest of people on this site. Now That's Karaoke. It's all for fun. If you've got the guts to submit a song, that itself to me is to be admired.

Choices. There's choices here. Let's have fun...

Crooner

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The Crooner

Crooner, as of now (12:21 AM our eastern time) your Delfonic Critique is finished. I think we can show people how the process can work without individuals killing one-another  LOL.  While I'm not one to think much of Ranking anyone... I think my critique to you is an example of what I'd ALWAYS believe should accompany quite a high rank in a song.  An explanation WHY a person feels it's such a good job !  My own opinion is that just RANK itself, with no explanation or wording to substantiate the number is empty,  I'd rather take effort to tell a person WHY I felt a song was done so well.. because a very high rank alone means what ?

JMO

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Hi Steve,

I have to tell you, if there is anything I would change is the sort order of the posts. Is there a way for the newest to show first by default?

Not to straddle the post (no pun)  but I agree that ranking probably does not mean a whole lot here. I'm not trying out for American Idol  (Star Search in my day)  
but I think if people are having fun doing it, why not?

I do greatly appreciate your detailed post and I also appreciate the kind "hatta boys" that are express.  I'm here because its fun and so far all of you seem to be great people.

Thanks for having me...

Crooner

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The Crooner

I agree that both types of comments SHOULD be able to exist side by side with a Live and let live attitude, as should rank because realistically, what matters is how a person enjoys the site whether it means a more casual approach, or for another individual perhaps with more intensity; Rank and comment and critique IS subjective and up to individuals, all should get out've this site what THEY want. WHY a comment to one person would bother somebody else if it falls within parameters of Critique of a song, or rank they really want I don't know, and quite honestly I think it's ashame that it does, I don't rate two people side by side.. I comment on the individual, and what I believe THEY are doing, and how THEY sound, whether or not THEY make any improvements (assuming this is what they wish to get out've the site).. it's INDIVIDUAL choice, nobody elses as to wishes and needs in this craft.  How I comment on a very experienced singer (and similarly rank them) SHOULD ideally have no affect on a different person who's at a different place musically.. Regarding your other questions, since they are of a more technical software nature I will defer to somebody with more programming and coding experience.  If a person wants NO critique, critque doesn't belong in THEIR area IMO

Anyway,  as of today, I'm going to leave this general chatter area of the bboards, and hang more in the Singer's Forum, and Showcase where I belong... I'll occasionally stop back to read the hate comments;

"Who's that Kaplan guy Critiquing people. whatup with his tude ?   I mean, like Who does this twerp think he is and $4it, he never subs. he uses these fancy sounding words that don;t even exist in a dictionary, SOrt''ve like to muddy the water and make it appear deep doncha know" ?

See you soon

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