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Do You Want To Have A Publicly Viewed Critique/How Did I Do? Area
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:36 pm 
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Steven Kaplan @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:00 pm wrote:
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But lately I have been trying to say what I gotta say on board just to make my opinion know not necessarily count cause I know people are going to disagree but hey what can ya do ??


You are doing the right thing.  Speaking YOUR OWN mind despite what others may feel !   That's never easy..  People can "respectfully" disagree !   In fact, if more learned this, Critique MIGHT stand a chance of working :worship:

Nathan,  Here was my idea...  scurrying to find it on other thread.....brb and will post it here


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Does society as a whole need to lower its standards because of some that don't know their individual needs and hurt themselves with freedoms others enjoy ?  Some just seem to complain and continue banging their head against a wall  (subbing in an unreal but risky category with expectations of NO politically driven angst)

I feel bad for people like Lonman, and Jian, and others that really do want a Critique, those that DO wish for honest exchange, those that've been driven out because they KNOW they aren't "10" average singers (nobody is), and they really do care about growing and improving with others help... These types of individuals have suffered in a sense in SS,  and have been driven out of SS because a fantasyland isn't what they want.  They KNOW they are getting lied to, and don't like it, some actually are insulted by such a venue.  Those that lose out in SS, are the amateurs, novices, and ALL that do take their singing seriously and wish for genuine interaction and TRUTHFUL "Critique".. They won't get it in SS...

If I were allowed to propose something to administration that *I* felt would benefit the forum, it'd be a sub-group in the Singer's Forum visible to admitted members of the room only.  This would be a members club, and invitational type group that requires established members to approve of those they feel can function in a setting that WILL have a functioning Critique category, maybe a comments category too... This will be select group of SERIOUS singers and there would be criteria for admission.  Perhaps such a criteria would be as simple as a total of 10 viewable interactions in the current Singers Showcase beit comments left for others, or reactions to comments received on submitted material. Of the 10 total needed for admission and viewing,  5 subs would be viewable within the Critique category so those in the member-formed room that allows Critique (which can be called something like Jointly Interacting Artisan Novices Singing room) would be able to plainly view the maturity level, and ability of those admitted to interact in a setting that will have the same feature the current SS room has, but will be for the more serious singers only who can keep their cool, and HONESTLY Critique one-another.. Those that want a real recital type room...So whether it's the above room with the acronym Jians room, or Green Room, Stage left, whatever.... It'll exist for those that wish SS was realistic.


I guess the members constituting such a group could do as they please of course... Open and viewable if they so choose,  Option for open and private commentary can exist,  whatever...  This would be for the more serious singers that wish for honest exchange and put their growth in the craft before ego, but among others they respect, and trust won't bash them regardless of personal dislike. (Objectivity when offering critique can be almost as tough as receiving the critique)..  

In brief,  emotions can suck  LOL

Another problem I ran into is that while so many request Critiques,  fewer wish to offer them.  This makes things disproportionate, and strains the few that end up  stuck being the "Critiquing" party....  I think a 1 to 1 exchange... For each Critique received one must be offered (might be a fair approach)..  I think evening this out can be among the tougher of situations... THIS isn't easy to balance.



It is a great idea, I actually don't understand why a forum such as this hasn't already been established, since it probably wouldn't take much work at all from the admin standpoint, and I think alot of members would use it.....BUT........i'm sure there would be disagreements and hurt feelings in this type of venue as well, although people may be less likely to snap if the rules are clearly stated ahead of time....

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MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:52 pm wrote:
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:wave:  Vicki.... :hug:

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Another thing Kappy, it just dawned on me that if this was a private forum, that had to approve it's members, you would probably phase out most of the riff-raff, especially if they had been around for a bit and you had a chance to witness their behavior in other forums and the SS....The more I think about this one, the more I like the idea......

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I like the idea of a separate room but.....maybe in addition to the separate room, there might be a format you would HAVE to follow.  For instance, it was mandatory that you fill out the following (the system would not allow you to send the comment without this):

1) What did you like the most from this performance?
2) What did you like the least?
3) What can be improved on?

Then, of course maybe some space for additional comments.  

The rules would have to be clearly visible stating that no abuse or foul language would be tolerated, RESPECT would have to be of the utmost importance and that there would be consequences if these rules were not followed to the T.

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so I am banned before you start?  LMAO
On a more serious note...how does one fulfill the criteria? For instance there are some who always sub under C no probs there
But what is the criteria that qualifies someone to provide a critique?

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Luly @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:46 pm wrote:
I like the idea of a separate room but.....maybe in addition to the separate room, there might be a format you would HAVE to follow.  For instance, it was mandatory that you fill out the following (the system would not allow you to send the comment without this):

1) What did you like the most from this performance?
2) What did you like the least?
3) What can be improved on?

Then, of course maybe some space for additional comments.  The rules would have to be clearly visible stating that no abuse or foul language would be tolerated, RESPECT would have to be of the utmost importance [highlight=crimson]and that there would be consequences if these rules were not followed to the T[/highlight].



HELLLLLOOOOO !!!  :worship:  :worship: BIIIINNNGGGOO !!!

:wave:  Luly !!

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chamjam @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:44 pm wrote:
Another thing Kappy, it just dawned on me that if this was a private forum, that had to approve it's members, you would probably phase out most of the riff-raff, especially if they had been around for a bit and you had a chance to witness their behavior in other forums and the SS....The more I think about this one, the more I like the idea......


Ahhh, you already covered this towards the bottom of your quote......my bad....

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Luly @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:46 am wrote:
I like the idea of a separate room but.....maybe in addition to the separate room, there might be a format you would HAVE to follow.  For instance, it was mandatory that you fill out the following (the system would not allow you to send the comment without this):

1) What did you like the most from this performance?
2) What did you like the least?
3) What can be improved on?

Then, of course maybe some space for additional comments.  

The rules would have to be clearly visible stating that no abuse or foul language would be tolerated, RESPECT would have to be of the utmost importance and that there would be consequences if these rules were not followed to the T.


looks good :)

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Karaoke  Kelley @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:48 pm wrote:
Luly @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:46 pm wrote:
I like the idea of a separate room but.....maybe in addition to the separate room, there might be a format you would HAVE to follow.  For instance, it was mandatory that you fill out the following (the system would not allow you to send the comment without this):

1) What did you like the most from this performance?
2) What did you like the least?
3) What can be improved on?

Then, of course maybe some space for additional comments.  The rules would have to be clearly visible stating that no abuse or foul language would be tolerated, RESPECT would have to be of the utmost importance [highlight=crimson]and that there would be consequences if these rules were not followed to the T[/highlight].



HELLLLLOOOOO !!!  :worship:  :worship: BIIIINNNGGGOO !!!

:wave:  Luly !!


Hey girl!! You likey???  :D

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Hi Vicki  :wave:

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LULYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: I feel so overwhelmingly pleased to see you I am like a puppy weaving its way round your feet ready to trip you up if you dare move!!!

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MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:47 pm wrote:
so I am banned before you start?  LMAO
On a more serious note...how does one fulfill the criteria? For instance there are some who always sub under C no probs there
But what is the criteria that qualifies someone to provide a critique?


Good question..lol....I would probably be interested in being critiqued in such a format, but as for critiquing others... :no: ....I think i'd rather pierce my own nipples..:)

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MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:55 pm wrote:
LULYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: I feel so overwhelmingly pleased to see you I am like a puppy weaving its way round your feet ready to trip you up if you dare move!!!


LOL  LOL Vicki! I better not move then.  LOL

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chamjam @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:57 pm wrote:
MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:47 pm wrote:
so I am banned before you start?  LMAO
On a more serious note...how does one fulfill the criteria? For instance there are some who always sub under C no probs there
But what is the criteria that qualifies someone to provide a critique?


Good question..lol....I would probably be interested in being critiqued in such a format, but as for critiquing others... :no: ....I think i'd rather pierce my own nipples..:)


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If we all keep to the same format, we can uniformly and consistently give people what they're looking for.  You would be free to add more comments, it's not like you're gonna be in robotic mode.  The idea is that all the points are covered.

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Luly @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:59 pm wrote:
chamjam @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:57 pm wrote:
MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:47 pm wrote:
so I am banned before you start?  LMAO
On a more serious note...how does one fulfill the criteria? For instance there are some who always sub under C no probs there
But what is the criteria that qualifies someone to provide a critique?


Good question..lol....I would probably be interested in being critiqued in such a format, but as for critiquing others... :no: ....I think i'd rather pierce my own nipples..:)


:shock:


LMAO .... :wave: Hey Luly...... :hug: ....it's true though, I was a judge in an online comp not too long ago, and whew....you should read some of the pm's I got...NEVER again will I subject myself to that.....

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chamjam @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:03 pm wrote:
LMAO .... :wave: Hey Luly...... :hug: ....it's true though, I was a judge in an online comp not too long ago, and whew....you should read some of the pm's I got...NEVER again will I subject myself to that.....


It's a thankless job, I'm sure.

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I hear ya Nathan, I recently judged a 6 week karaoke competition at one of the local hotels.
The number of people who wanted to suddenly bend over you to say hello and eyeball what you were writing...in the end I said to management if they didnt put a minder on the judges desk I wouldnt continue.
I got kinda p'ed when there was 1 judge who just couldnt stop being everyones friend and put the job at hand first.
The flak I copped for trying to be scrupulously fair to all competitors was incredible

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Luly @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:46 pm wrote:
I like the idea of a separate room but.....maybe in addition to the separate room, there might be a format you would HAVE to follow.  For instance, it was mandatory that you fill out the following (the system would not allow you to send the comment without this):

1) What did you like the most from this performance?
2) What did you like the least?
3) What can be improved on?

Then, of course maybe some space for additional comments.  

The rules would have to be clearly visible stating that no abuse or foul language would be tolerated, RESPECT would have to be of the utmost importance and that there would be consequences if these rules were not followed to the T.


I like this suggestion! If anything the person asking for a critique could TYPE IN THESE QUESTIONS in their intro.  One must be super-sensitive to the "respect", even when being as subjective and constructive as humanly possible to avoid the "consequences" however.  Not to dredge up "X" (sorry) but I saw many examples where people WERE asking for a critique and just could not handle even the faintest and respectully made suggestions from this anonymous critiquer (I thought they were valid myself--heck "X" even spotted me and they were right). I mean, they went BALLISTIC!  So, again, with all things considered, no matter what specific criteria you are asking for in regards to your performance, please, do be prepared to get it.   That's my editorial for the evening and this is the day that was!

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chamjam @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:57 pm wrote:
MorganLeFey @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:47 pm wrote:
so I am banned before you start?  LMAO
On a more serious note...how does one fulfill the criteria? For instance there are some who always sub under C no probs there
But what is the criteria that qualifies someone to provide a critique?


Good question..lol....I would probably be interested in being critiqued in such a format, but as for critiquing others... :no: ....I think i'd rather pierce my own nipples..:)



lol hehe nathan, this is me here. i got some excellent critiquing from you if you remember dear. did i get lippy with you at all hun? i think you would be able to do it no problem lol .

:wave:  :hug:  Angie.

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