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rank is just a misspelling someone forgot where the w was

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Hi CC!  :wave: Love you right back!  :hug:  And nodding in agreement at everything you said in the above post..  :yes:

Keep the critique, abolish the number.

@ Vicki..... [schild=1 fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]no wanking[/schild]

well actually it has its time and place  LMAO its just sometimes rather obvious that mommys had indulged their sons by not sewing up the hole in their pockets

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Hi Sher!  :hug:




I haven't changed my mind about ranking, Debbie.  I used to do it when I first came on this site and it ending up causing grief beyond compare.  I won't get into it, but anyone who was on here back then remembers the crap that ensued.  Nope, I will never rank again.  

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I would vote for 1, 2 and 3, Debbie.  I understand that a few still place some value on the "numbers" ... but I simply have learned, from experience .. that the numbers cause waaaaaaaaaay too many problems.  

With numbers 1,2 and 3 above.... and an APPROVE COMMENT and a BLOCK button .. I think many if not all of the problems that have alienated people for so long, would really be significantly reduced ... if not disappear.  

As long as we keep a "critique" category .. where people who wish to, can still get feeback specific to the "singing, technique, etc" then I think with very few exceptions we will have a much happier ... and less competitive ..... environment.  

JMO .... but I feel strongly about this.  

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How bout these as ranking levels:

This was just INCREDIBLE. I simply LOVED it!!

I really enjoyed this tune!

Decent effort, keep practicing to make it even better!

It was OK.

This one didnt do much for me, maybe a different one would be better.

This REALLY SUCKED!! DONT EVER SING IT AGAIN!!


This kind of comment system eliminates number scoring systems and makes the comments standardized that can eliminate some of the more random and insulting comments that can occur. If someone wants to say more they can PM.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

My reason behind it because it tells me how good or bad my song performance is without having to read every little detail......To me it's very simple and nothing can be said personally in detail that would hurt my feelings the way attempts at Critique has.  The person giving a rank either likes it or they don't....they think it was average or really bad or really good.....And majority rules in my book so if 10 people thought it was good...and one or two thought it was crap....Then I would go with majority and write off the two bad ones as the person just being jealous or just maybe its not there idea of something they liked.

Ranking for me is simple....Ranking Me tells me how well you liked my performance without having to get personal and detailed about it.

If the majority ranked Good and one or two ranked sux....Then those who think I'm not worth listening to don't have to listen if they don't like my performance.

But you guys are right, ranking will be abused by those who cannot stand competition or others getting more attention than them selves....So it is pointless!!


I liked the Rank system and think your idea to broaden the options would fill that void that those like me want.  BUT...then those who cannot stand to see others get any praise will sit here like little spoiled brats all pouting about it and will never stop complaining about it....So again its pointless.

The thing is...everyone here can have what they want if its implemented, but those whiny jealous people will never be happy no matter what.  So if the rank system is done away with...Then the those who like to cut others down still can and so they win!!!! But will they be happy??? I don't think so....because certain people will always be better than them and get more attention than them and they will forever til the day they die be bitter about it.

So I don't care what happens....I'm here to stay and I can sub under L and if they don't like it then I could care less.....I'm going to sub under L anyway and so I don't have to read some cut down remark by anyone!!!!

But yes Deb I think you have a Great Idea!!!  But the Critique's will hate it because they cannot put there stupid remarks on my song....If they cannot cut you down then they feel rejected!!!!  I'm trying to stop them from cutting me down because I'm tired of feeling rejected!!!!!!! and they are having a fit about it!!

So my simple solution is to sub under L from this day forward, and those who truly do like to listen to me will listen no matter who likes it or not!!!!

I do like your Idea though and it is reasonable because it give people like me the ability to have a majority rank without negative remarks.

Negative remarks only puts a stumbling block before me and prevents me from enjoying singing all together, It creates a mental block that keeps me from being able to even record a song much less enjoy it.

But yes I like to know what the majority thinks of my performance and the rank system give me that without negative remarks.

That's all Deb, Thanks

I appreciate both yours and Luly's opinion about it.  My thoughts were simply to suggest making changes that were a bit more palatable to Neo and others who like to be ranked instead of critiqued.  Doesn't mean I would or anyone else would have to actually use the rank button, though.  It would just be available for those who are only interested in that type of feedback.  But if any changes are made and we can't have a separate option for "rank only," I would prefer that at least the ranking option be eliminated on critiques because of the competitiveness and bad feelings it creates.  I view critiquing as a way to get personal feedback...it has nothing to do with being compared to somebody else's singing ability...nor would I want it to be...it should be specific information given to help that particular singer improve, which is an option many are still interested in.  Even if changes aren't made, I think if I ever subbed under "C" again, I would write in my description box that if a critique is given, I prefer that they don't rank me.

Thanks and      

Thanks for sharing your reasons, Neo...I can understand why you feel the way you do.  But if you sub under "C" now, there's nothing to prevent someone from critiquing you the way it's set up.  It's funny, but we're just the opposite on what would make us feel bad.  To me, a low number would make me feel like not singing and would make me get down on myself because I would feel that I'm being compared to others, but a critique (IF offered sincerely and thoughtfully) would give me something specific to focus on and strive for improving the next time around.  Most of the time when people rank, they leave all positive comments anyway, so you're left having no idea what you could have done to make the submission better or perhaps learn that you have a bad habit when singing.  I read on a contest site where a judge mentioned to one of the singers that when she starts a song she has a habit of swooping from a note a bit flat up to the correct note (my paraphrase).  Now that seems like helpful information to me.  

I hope you won't continue to just put your songs up under "L."  If you're going to make changes to how you sub, at least use JFF...nobody can critique you there and at least people can leave comments.  I think it would a very boring place on SS if everybody subbed under "L."  I enjoy the interaction and the camaraderie of sharing with fellow singers most.  I still view this place as mainly a karaoke site...not necessarily or primarily a place to get professional feedback.   Gosh, if I did...I wouldn't have stayed here so long.

I would like to see more options like those I suggested, but "critique and rank" together just don't seem to work very well for the majority.  

I really appreciate your reply...your reasons are just as valid as the ones expressed that differ.  

I can understand how you and others feel.

Donny Osmond said that the reason he Quit the music biz is because he got tired of people expecting him to be perfect all the time and it gave him such a mental block that he could not deal with it and so he stopped performing because it was simply too stressful trying to be perfect all the time.   Now I am no Donny Osmond but I feel the same way as he does.....It's too stressful and takes the joy away from performing and really plays on a person mind that feels this way.

Those who need personal detailed Critique & then receive it in a manor that is actually helpful....That is a wonderful thing!!!!  Nothing wrong with that at all!!!

The reason I am so Quick to jump into a defensive mode is simply from past experience where people abused the Critique option just so they could pick on people who they thought did not deserve the positive feed back they were getting and there for it turned into a revenge war.

Some people for some reason can't understand why someone like me can enjoy a less than perfect performance, but I can because I know the person done there best and if they are happy with it then that's good enough for me, and I enjoy it for what it is and will say so....But then I am called a fluffer.

I like the JFF option same as you Deb...Because I also enjoy the interaction and the camaraderie of sharing with fellow singers.  In fact a friend sent me a pm saying they did not like me subbing under L because it made them feel rejected by not being able to comment.

I guess I'll have to think about what I really want to do because me subbing under L is not liked by some so now...  :(

Hummm.....I'm confused!  LMAO

I don't want Critique...But want Rank and can't have that, So I sub under L and I still make folks unhappy....  LMAO  :headscratch:  :order:  :fright:  LMAO

I enjoy listening to all kinds of performances...I feel everybody I listen to has something to offer and I don't expect perfection...I'm certainly far from it.  I guess that means I'm a fluffer, too.  

arent we all Debs, lets face it, it is not natural to feel comfortable about hurting nice peoples feelings.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

And I hope I'd never do that...I wouldn't last a day with Simon Cowell's job.  

you know in that situation I believe I could do it. Because everyone must surely realise what they are letting themselves in for when they start out. They stand to be made fools of sure, but they also stand to get their dreams fullfilled. If the insults are worth the end result, and they obviously are for some, then yeah I believe I could be that hard hitting. I generally agree with what he says anyway, not necessarily how he says it

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I agree with what he says most of the time, too, Vicki...but I have seen people unnecessarily demeaned and humiliated on that show...and some are 16, 17 year-old kids.  Last night he mocked someone for his looks telling him he looked like a monkey along with some other personal insults.  I know it has great entertainment value, but just telling someone they aren't good enough doesn't sell as well.  A lot of people watching expect to see blood, imo.  I enjoy the show when it gets down to the final 12 the most.  The other stuff is just filler...you KNOW they intentionally find the worse people on prescreen just to make them a public spectacle.  You either see contestants who audition that are really good or really pathetic....not much in between because it wouldn't sell so well.  

There are some people who I think go on there to deliberately make idiots of of themselves and some are just clueless.  Too bad someone didn't tell them along the way that they stink and they need to find what they are really good at doing.

I thought the below the belt comment by Simon about the young man's eyes was uncalled for and was a new low on that show.  In fact, with the exception of one other, I was rooting for he and his buddy to at least get a break--they probably are not used to kindness.  Last time I watch this program.  Through.

I can't blame you for not wanting to watch it anymore...it really turned me off.  I'm finding this year that even Randy is becoming cruel in his remarks and they all are becoming especially arrogant and condescending to people they don't deem worthy of their time...not even making eye contact.  Body language says a lot.

Agreed Debbie.  I'm pretty sure at this stage, most of these insults and behavior by some of the judges is almost "scripted"--the judges themselves are now perceived as "characterizations" like in a sit-com so they have to mouth the expected dialogue.  All I now is, we went to see the "American Idol" on tour when it came to Minneapolis--I was not all that impressed with the general behavior of the huge crowd that showed up: immature and rude ($50 spent on good seats so I could look at somebody's behind in front of my because they refused to sit down the entire time, etc.)  These are the folks the show now panders too.

Pleas keep this thread on topic, There is an AI thread somewhere.

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Thanks Jian! I didn't realize it but I thought I was in the AI thread!

Special thanks again, to Luly, for bringing this poll to the attention of the singers on Singer's Showcase.