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True Don. Being mean and carrying out a private agenda to me are examples of abusing the comments on the subs. I don't remember if there is a specific rule about that but maybe there should be with a threat of temp suspension if it is done too much. Maybe that's a little extreme but that's how my mind works.

Yep, makes sense to me Chuck!

Things have moved over to Luly's 'Opinion Poll' thread.  Will the last one here please turn out the lights?  LOL

What Don is asking is essentially what I posted in Charmin's thread last night



I haven't had a chance to read all of this threads posts, however it seems "option to remove" comments, and such concerns are really the concern of camouflaged bashing, and retaliation via comment boxes.  If this is such a concern, WHY would people wish to retaliate in comment areas ?  Because of hard feelings trickling to a friendly area due to hard feelings because of exploitation in the "ratings" and "Critique" area ?   If there's a fear of what a person will type in your comment boxes, to me this is an indication that Critique, Rating if eliminated and a comment only option (friendly comments only allowed) and one other Listen only category are all that should exist.  A person can always ask for a critique specifically HOWEVER this MUST be private.  If things have gotten to the point where the SS site needs moderators (fancy name for babysitters or playground monitors to break up altercations) certainly a Critique category, and the Ranking systems are NOTHING a moderator could intervene with.  It becomes TOO subjective, and few in here would wish to referee and split hairs regarding what does, and does not belong in a Critique category.. Fact is,  If I want to give you a rank of a "2" NO moderator would have a right to challenge "MY OWN" subjective grade assigned to another individual.  The problems here are problems with MOST bboards, and sites... What happens is the 3rd party (moderator) ends up in a lose/lose situation down the road. In a brawl or ongoing large grudge-match that transpires within a venue where subjective opinion is encouraged, HOW the heck can a 3rd party mediate wihtout ultimately ending up hated, after repeatedly getting manipulated and called "unfair" by at least 40% first time he mediates Critique, or comment venue ?
Let's look at it this way, FEW here know how to Critique, NOW you are asking individuals to judge a Critique ?    Seriously.   Who would want to be the heavy ? When really the underlying problem is two or four and their friends don't get along... Those that are involved in animosity are just dragging mods into it when asking them to "mediate" or "arbitrate" comments...

There's ONE solution IMO PRESUMING we are allowed to make any alterations in this site at all.. and quite frankly, Administration and the mods have never asked us OUR general opinions on SS format, so we are actually being presumptuous in thinking our input is even requested.  When things have gotten this bad, Get rid of Rank, Feedback, and other aspects of the site that breed animosity among so many.  Those that wish for this, easy..... Just type out... Please leave me a critique in private, I wish to improve and need feedback..  Too many are being given sparklers that can be beautiful, but because they aren't old enough to use them they instead end up burning themselves... It's not worth this.... Get RID of Rank, Critique; and require "Comments" (the only allowable area now to leave remarks in) to be light and friendly only. What we do know is MOST want SS to be nice and fluffy !  Too few want to see real in that area.  The majority HAS spoken, they want a fantasy venue.. Remove real stuff such as Critique... Remove rank, FEW can handle a lower than 8 rank when John Doe suckyvoice is getting 9.8 averages after 489 submitted songs... Change SS from "Singer's Showcase" to SS (as in "Stepford Site") Plain and simple, and fewer calories !!   This way EVERYBODY can enjoy Pollyanna Showcase.

Seriously, WHO in their sane mind would wish to be a moderator in SS, that has a lot of friends from the site ?   That's what's known as dubious honor.

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There are those that want FLUFF, there are those that want true CRITIQUE.  The option I suggested is so that we can ALL live in harmony or as close to it as possible.  Why does it have to be all or nothing?  No one is saying that anyone has to delete anything, but you should have the OPTION to delete what you find PERSONALLY offensive.  In addition, the mods wouldn’t have to be called in, because you are now in control of the situation.

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VERY few want "True Critique" in SS Luly,  and MANY don't want to see somebody receiving a "True Critique", THAT's what the biggest problem has become. MANY really don't like seeing something "heavy" or "intense" in their fun fantasyland. If I were making this up, I'd be the fallguy, however fact is people complain quite often just seeing others receiving critiques they ask for, and what's worse is too many within following comment or critique boxes feel compelled to comment on a prior individuals subjective critique, and soften what they feel to be "the blow".  That's terribly wrong. If a person asks for a true critique, and a person believes they are honest and earnest in their request, NO bleeding hearts should be attempting to pamper the person when in fact nobody has been unduly harsh with them to begin with. often what some feel is too harsh, IS "truly honest", but that often get's criticized in following comment areas. Behind the scene talk ensues as well, ie..  "Who does so-and-so think he/she is giving out critiques"..The bulk don't want to see critique in there.  THAT is why it should be private.. If people could live with grey in SS, I'd concur with what you say, but MOST what SS to be "White", there is no black tolerated,  if it were, these threads wouldn't repeat over and over again whenever others saw another persons "black" episodes... Grey means "Live and let live", too many cliques, and friends in SS,  Critiquing parties ARE NOT liked in SS.  Additionally, Critique SHOULD imply "real" to begin with.  Fact is, complaints stem from camouflaged bashing filtering into the Critique boxes of a few... "True" requires a more honest environment than SS

(My firm opinion)  LOL


Singer's Showcase collectively has become All or None..  If this weren't the case,  these threads wouldn't perpetuate each time a mean person said things..
Critique CAN exist, but PRIVATELY.  I truly believe most would prefer that. AND as an objective observer who hasn't been profoundly affected at either the giving or receiving end of this issue. but has watched this carefully for a few years I don't believe anything but fluff is genuinely wanted in public view by at least 90%.


For True Critique to exist on a giving and receiving level, it'd mean EVERY DAY Critiques are given, the are given objectively which means certainly with NO consideration as to whether the person is friend or foe, those receiving them would in turn NOT feel, "Wait a minute, that remark is coming from a conflict ___ has with me because if he/she liked me, I wouldn't receive that stuff when ____ said really nice things to ____ but said that pitchy stuff to me"...  

People CAN NOT handle critique in there...

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What you’re saying is very accurate Steven and thank you for explaining.  I have had the experience of being critiqued when not asked for, yet I was not offended in the least.  I didn’t agree with what the critiquer said, but it was fine that they had their opinion and expressed it.  They were not ugly or rude, actually I believe they were being helpful.  However, many of my friends were pretty upset and made their sentiments quite known, even when I assured them that I was not disturbed by it.  But, here’s the thing…if the delete (and/or preview before accepting) option is implemented, then that means you are selecting the comments you want viewed.  Your friends then cannot “come to your defense” because YOU in fact, have already accepted the comment! Do you see where I’m going with this?  Most of the time, things here get really heated because instead of two individuals hashing things out personally, others will go to bat for them and it ends up in a huge battle.

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Let me read back Luly, and also read your other thread.  I need to get a clearer idea as to what you are proposing because currently I only have a rough idea... brb .  Off the bat, I'm fearing that in an insecure venue where people have become somewhat hypervigiliant, "removed post" would be considered rejection, or "I don't like you", and I need to see where that MIGHT now carry over to for retaliation. Remember, when you remove a persons post, you reject them.

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Ahhh, you added more comments....


I think if critique is given the correct way, in a manner meant to help you improve, it SHOULD be accepted.  But you are right, there are those that will not accept it even though they say they can.  Then again, there are those that do not give critique the way it is meant to be given.  So....round and round it goes...where it stops who the heck knows?

Maybe we should have a PRIVATE CRITIQUE button????  LOL

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Well, you are rejecting what they are saying.  They can then either choose to not visit your subs anymore, or if they truly care, PM you to ask what they said wrong and try not to make that mistake again.

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With the addition of adding a simple keystroke symbol before the following sentence you can type a critique to the person that is confidential and not seen by others.  I've done this a few times on submissions where they are asking for a critique (particularly the newbies since often this is their first submission; in which case try to be helpful if you can).

That means I have been rejected.  :yes:

Let me give you an example Steven....over at myspace the delete comment feature exists.  The only ones that can leave you comments are on your friend's list.  While most of the people on my friend's list are people I actually know (mostly from this site), there are some that are new to me.  There's a girl who is sweet as pie, leaves me nice comments all the time.  Then she started selling Avon and started posting ads promoting their products all over my site almost every day! I deleted only the Avon ads and kept her comments.  She got the picture without me having to explain further.  AND she's still my friend.

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oh and by the way....Some people want to be ranked without having Critique.

yes....Im one who wants the ranking without a Critique.

I don't need the Critique part at all!!!  :no:


But will that ever happen????  :no:


I am my own Critique....I don't need another one!!!!  LMAO

Really?  What is it Michael?

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yeah!!! See...Now that would work right there!!  :yes:

Then people will finally get the idea that...Hummm...This person don't want my Critque so I just won't listen to them then!!  LMAO


Or We could have a Ignore button that if someone keeps doing something you don't like such as giving Critque when you don't want it...But you still want to be ranked...Then you can click there name and then click Ignore and you will never have to worry about that person bothering you ever again!!!!  LMAO

Now that would be CooL!!!!!  :yes:

You know, I am also my own worst critic.  :wink:

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Me too!!!!! Thats why I don't need another one!!!  LMAO

Sorry...I added something up there.  LOL  :hug:

That involves a type of sophistication regarding the process few have, and since no understanding of the term is requisite to participate it becomes a spitball fight.  As you also understand Critique's ARE TOUGH for all to take, BUT in a scholastic type setting you have little choice, you pay and invest (entrust) your professor is tough on you for your own good.  Critiques DO hurt ego alot of the time.  Nobody ever said they are easy to take.. In college, you MUST take it... If I could go to a bboard or type graffiti on school walls each time a professor gave me a C- I would have.  It's natural to want to throw a tantrum when you receive an honest critique that hurts.  "True Critique' really needs to be private.. Jian can take it... HE'S TOUGH !  He begs for it in public..  But Hey,  Tyson liked getting hit too  LMAO   <just kidding Jian>



OR,  rank bomb you with a "2", and if cunning play with your head rhetorically. OR come into these bboards and make fun of you for being a baby and kicking them out've your house. complaining about your bias, cliquishness, and ultimately saying what I'm saying now... "Why not JUST allow friendly comments"  What you claim to be a plus for the receiver Luly, becomes a slap in the face and more source of friction to the commenting party who might've been misunderstood, but now things will snowball since he's been 86'd from your audience.  I think this would exacerbate things, not solve a problem. It's a form of alienation and many will view it as a type of discrimination

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discrimination....


Im discriminating because I won't let you beat me up!!!  LMAO  LMAO  LMAO


Now I've heard everything!!!  :rotflmao: