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OK,  Thank you !  Was I a tad pitchy ?  

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

unsure what tone deaf would have to do with anything hon. the point I was making is you dont have to be a singer to be able to critique. it is preferable if someone was to critique here for them NOT to be singing here and subbing. More likelyhood of them being able to stay impartial

but it is a moot point now for two reasons
1. he hasnt been able to remain impartial
2. MJK's paranoia and speculation as to who would have ruined it anyway

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

But ol' blubber-belly's peppy patter has surely enriched this thread.

If youve evr heard a tone deaf person sing they sound horrible b/c the interpretaion of the lyrics is "off", Thats what I was tryin to say...If you cant interpret the song correctly you really cant critique anyone elses interpretation IMO...Anyways like you mentioned ...a moot point..

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Kelley
Star Sounds Karaoke & Mobile Recording Studio


[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

Nah, I better not!

yes understood what you meant by that hon but I dont understand where it fits into the critiquing process although granted there are no doubt tone deaf folk who are listening

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

These are some good points Michael, as far as I'm concerned.  I do wonder if the average person would be equally worried about the background of a critic if the critique was mainly positive. They should probably be wondering about the background if they're concerned about the validity of the comments.

Actually, under the circumstances Steven I thought you maintained real control!

I need some work tightening my embechure.



Regarding Critique.  If you are going to "Critique" a singer (a musician) you must have the ability and experience (training) to do-so.  The person offering the Critique must understand Music theory, and some composition.  They must have a discerning ear.  

"It was pitchy" is not a Critique.  Nor is "That was perfect".. However

"At the second bridge when you jumped the C to F P4 interval, your dynamics were off (also state the lyrics sung at the part of the composition you reference) it was evident you weren't confident singing that interval, because you rushed the tempo, which threw your time signature off, and you approached F a few cents flat and noticeably tuned the note as you sung it.   It'd be helpful for you to work on interval singing, and ear training so you recognise how your intervals should sound, PRIOR to singing them"...

You MUST tweak each part you reference in this manner !  THAT is what a Critique is !

I don't have any knack or gift for critiquing.  I'm a life-long musician who's now an old fart, and my parents started me on basic music mathematical theory (A system called pencil-play) before I knew how to talk, I had small instruments in my hands at all times before I knew what do do with them. In most cases it looks as tho I chewed them, and tried to eat them  :shock: .  I have extensive past theory and comp training, years of applied training, class training, and performing experience, play 12 musical instruments, and I'm now 51 years old.. I was hatched to a musician who taught while I was kicking in the womb, and afterwards, kept in a bassonette as an infant while she taught piano,,,  And to be quite honest, even *I* don't have current training, or training on critiquing a *Vocalist*, I never formally studied THAT process of the art. There's a proper way to do it, it's a psychological process as well as a musical process, but most importantly it's communication skill learned.. However I never formally studied to be a music educator, or instructor..I do however have years of classical training. Luckily I survived, and escaped somewhat unscathed. ( I took/studied conducting college level, and I've conducted amateur orchestras, but I'm no stand-in for Arthur Fiedler alive or dead), Yes, I own a few batons,  (and still have my eye left)... If you are going to critique a musician, you SHOULD be a musician.  If not, at least have a true knack,  gift of communication, and a VERY good ear for music, and familiarity with the genre you are hearing. A rote for that style's comp.


God,  I wish they got rid of that term in the showcase.  It doesn't belong there. VERY few qualify to critique because very few have extensive musical backgrounds.

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Merry Meet Kappy  

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

time for me to retire I think, another cold wet day on the way tomorrow. I think summer has offically missed the middle south island

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Steven, what alternative word or phrase could be used if you want people to offer their opinion of your performance?  Something that doesn't imply such rigid rules and expertise as a formal critique.

[highlight=cyan]Steven, what alternative word or phrase could be used if you want people to offer their opinion of your performance?  Something that doesn't imply such rigid rules and expertise as a formal critique.[/highlight]

I know this is meant for Steve but I was just poking around here...how about the use of the word "suggestion"?

All of a sudden this thread is way over my head - for me, I don't care if you can sing or not sing, I don't even care if you like music or not.  If there is something that you don't like about my subs I'd like to know about it.  I'm outta here.

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Singing just for you

I second that Motion!

This is what I was trying to say in a nutshell !! This is why I rarely ever critique too I am by no means "trained" to do so. All I know is if I like a song I sing it...or try it at least, Karaoke NOT American idol or anything...If ya dont like it,sorry...dont listen..& if I dont ike yours I wont listen either..No biggie no problems..Im not going to get into a can of worma by telling you how much your off key when you can go to a few of my subs & say "dang" she definatley is not one to talk...So I stay away from critiqing b/c of that..

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Kelley
Star Sounds Karaoke & Mobile Recording Studio


[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

I don't critique because i'm trained, i'm not.  If people ask for opinion, i'll give it to them.  If I didn't like or thought that it wasn't a song they shouldn't do, i'll give it to them.  Even 'trained' ears still know what they like to hear & someone who does something that sounds good to someone, but then the 'trained' ear hears it & thinks it sucks, now what?  If someone don't want critiquing, don't ask for it or allow for comments.  Most people do not want or cannot handle honest opinion, they want praise!

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Nevermind, I better not say all of that. I had second thoughts:)


But my gosh, some of you have your heads so far up your arses, that it cracks me up.
(no pun intended there)

Rather than argue with you, it's much funner to sit here and laugh at you.




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