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 Post subject: Re: Critiqueing.....
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:40 pm 
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nope hon I dont listen to your subs simply because I am not into inspirational stuff. My beliefs are totally different from yours :)

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My latest ones aren't inspirational. Nothing wrong with having different beliefs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:49 pm 
I've been discussing "X" with another person on this site.  Going through his/her comments, they seem objective enough; however when "X" starts complimenting a performer on the type of person the singer is and this individual's winning personality, this sounds a bit odd to say the least.  The mystery continues! Will the real "Listener X" please step up--you've done a marvelous job creating a minor stir here, which is probably not a bad thing either.


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Songbird37 @ Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:48 pm wrote:
My latest ones aren't inspirational. Nothing wrong with having different beliefs.


Nothing at all Tonya :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:18 pm 
I do think knowing "something" about the person making the assessment on your singing makes it more palatable and easier to take.  Heck, I pay a woman good money to tear me apart every time I go in but at least I know her background and respect her viewpoints--that plus she she couples her criticism with helpful suggestions and demonstrations of what she is implying.  That always helps and is something a good critiquer here and elsewhere on the internet should keep in mind.  The inherit difficulty of "reproducing" what you believe is the corrective measure in words is a major handicap and probably results in more bruised feelings than anything else.  I rarely critique singers when they are asking for one on SS (and quite frankly some are so bad I wouldn't know where to begin so just let it lay there) but again, if one asks for a critique and receives it they should take it for what it's worth.  I don't know if X's been jumping on folks who have not asked for critiques (he or she left me a "good review" and I don't ask for critiques on mine) but if so, should not be doing that.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:31 pm 
Yes, I know YOUR valuable opinions certainly carry more gravity around here than anyone else, so beg my forgiveness in boring you.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:39 pm 
Ah, time to get back into your coffin apparently!


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LMAO
I think that would fly right over his head

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I believe a singers personality has a lot to do with the way that they present a song.  By your performance your audience can feel your joy, your sadness, your excitement, or even you empathy.  It's what you put into a song.  That's why we prefer one entertainer over another.  Put it all together and it's not just singing, it's the entire package - which your personality is a major part.  Singing is more than just reading words of a screen.  That's why I enjoy listening to a lot of Crystal's subs, she puts evey thing she has into her performance. Her personality is in her subs.  

I don't believe you have to be a singer to critique a sub as long as you can tell when a person is off and can explain where they are off to them in a manner that they can understand.  I'm am an entertainer - just about every weekend I sing anywhere from fifteen to twenty songs per hour for four hours.  I will guarantee one thing - If without my personality and my ability to keep the audiences attention, I could sing like an angel and it would not matter - the audience get up and leave.  I also hope that some of my personality comes through on my cds.  

I've listened to hundreds of karaoke singers and a lot of the have no idea that they can sing a hundred times better than I can.  Their voices are a lot better than mine. The only difference is, is that I take the time to at least try to put everything I have into a song.  

As for karaoke, it supposed to be just for fun.  I've only been singing for little over a year but just about every karaoke singer that I've met takes his/her singing serious.
They are there every night wanting to be a star, even if it's just for two and a half minutes - this includes yours truly.  The only singers that I have seen that get up to sing just for fun is when they are in a group and all screwed up or some drunk decides he wants to be Elvis for a night.  

Don't think for a minute that a true Karaoke singer doesn't take singing serious.  That why they get their feelings hurt when they get critiqued.  And, don't think for a minute that your personality has nothing to do with your singing.  

Hope I'm not to out of line here. Not being a KJ

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Once again, just to clarify, I was trying to make a joke using Michael's quote but I messed it up...the joke was by no means at your expense Michael....I don't get around these here forums too much....lol...

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you are not out of line Jackson, I am not a KJ either

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 Post subject: Re: Critiqueing.....
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:20 pm 
Once again, just to clarify, I was trying to make a joke using Michael's quote but I messed it up...the joke was by no means at your expense Michael....I don't get around these here forums too much....lol...


Don't worry about it Nathan--even if you didn't mean well (and I know that's not the case knowing you as I do) I'm rather used to being kicked in the backside by a very smug know-it-all whose name graces these very pages! It seems to be a devout mission in this person's life to use me to heighten her sense of importance at every turn.  You are a first class guy and I realize that!  Take care, Michael


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Nathan accept my apologies I would no more use someone to get at someone else than fly to the moon (far too cold there)
I guess your humour and mine are from different sides of the world (NZ here)
Cultural differences can of course be confusing.

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chamjam @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:02 pm wrote:
ok What Now @ Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:38 am wrote:
hi, what do u people think of the guy critiqueing...Listener ....x  

i myself am glad hes there, if he stays honest....if not he can hit the road....
i don't know his background but  he seems to know a tad about what he's talking about...loll....not putting him down its just hard to know if its all trash talk r he really knows what he's saying....

at the very least i believe we all know what we like and dislike in a song, wheather its right r not is up to that person and what he/she hears....and feels...

i for 1 feel we do need him/her and many more....

what do u think?    and i don't want to get into critique r not to critique....been there done that...Billy


I thought maybe this guy would be a breath of fresh air as well, but after reading his comments on a certain submission today, I think it's pretty obvious this guy is either fluffing up his friends, or just plain doesn't know what he's talking about...case in point, these are his comments......

CRITIQUE: Did you say "to me" or "do me"? in the beginning of the song? I am not 100% certain, but you might want to check that lyric. Flat spots were minimal despite this song being extremely difficult to stay right on pitch. Even attempting to do this song simple justice is pretty gutsy. The fact that you not only did this song justice..... but did such a sweet job on it is very impressive. Your voice works very well for this song. You sang this song just the way Freddy did and sounded pretty darn good doing it! Considering the difficulty level of this submission, I would have to say that overall this was a near perfect performance. ...............X

And this is the submission......http://www.singersshowcase.com/song.php ... act2=47189


Now I mean no disrespect, but that submission was nowhere near perfect, actually it was a little south of average, I think it's pretty obvious this listener X guy is not legit, just my opinion of course.


I agree with chamjam on this one!!!  No offense to the singer of this song by no means!!!!  But yeah...I am dissapointed with Listener X on this one!!!  :(

Wow!!  Listener X had me fooled until now!!  LMAO

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No offense meant to anyone here what so ever!!! But that song did need some major work....Sorry Im just being Honest!! Please don't be offended!! I mean no harm. :)


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arent you missing the point Tonya? Just becos someone can sing what makes them any more qualified to critique? I would prefer someone who doesnt sing yet knows music inside out and definately doesnt sub here to be a more objective critique


Vicki Im having a bit of a moment here, but if a person is t-totally tone deaf do they "hear" things differently than others or just sing things differently. Because if so ,then no I dont think they should be critiqueing (by the end of this thread I will know how to spell that without lookin up LMAO)   I "know" if I hear a person who is tone deaf, (my hubby for ex.).  & When he "sings along" with the song he does the same thing, so if this person is "singing along" & singing it totally different than you then yes they'll prolly give a "less than correct" opinion of a sub but still "honest" in their eyes. All kinds of people interpret music & lyrics differently. I would like to hear a sub from this LX if just to see how they interpret "at least one" song.  Like I said before just dunno why, Im just getting a"vibe".

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