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 Post subject: Re: how far would you go
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:36 pm 
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Bars nowadays need  to offer a variety of entertainment options.
Pool Tables and Video games are 2 that people don't mind paying for !

I have a singer that also plays pool on Karaoke Night ---I wonder if he would pay $1 to sing a song ?    He pays that for each pool game !!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:46 pm 
I don't know if the pool tables make that much or not.  But they do keep people in the bar and most of them came to drink and enjoy themselves.  Few people go to a bar solely with the idea of playing pool on their minds!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:19 pm 
If I'm doing a bar with a pool table, I make them cover it up.   NO POOL during karaoke.    Pool is too loud and if they make a shot every yells, if they miss the shot everyone yells.   The singers get distracted.    Too much chance for someone to start a fight if they get bumped accidentally by a singer.     Karaoke or pool make up your mind.

If I owned a bar there would be no pool table.   If I wanted to have a family atmosphere.   If I wanted a bikers haven, with fighting and such, then it's pool up the a**.


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I would offer them a handful of friendly suggestions on how to make an open mic night work and during the some conversation, wish them luck with it and offer your regrets that your schedule does not permit you to be involved at this time.

I have seen this club...pool, video games, darts, etc. are not an issue as the bar has a number of areas and the music is the only thing in that particular area. It is a sweet little setup.   :wave:  Hi, Steve!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:24 pm 
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Bigdog @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:19 pm wrote:
If I'm doing a bar with a pool table, I make them cover it up.   NO POOL during karaoke.    Pool is too loud and if they make a shot every yells, if they miss the shot everyone yells.   The singers get distracted.    Too much chance for someone to start a fight if they get bumped accidentally by a singer.     Karaoke or pool make up your mind.

If I owned a bar there would be no pool table.   If I wanted to have a family atmosphere.   If I wanted a bikers haven, with fighting and such, then it's pool up the a**.


The two bars I frequent for karaoke both have pool tables and there is pretty much always a game going on.  Not once have I seen it interfere with karaoke and I've been going to both of them for years.  So your theory is quite WRONG.  As most of your theories seem to be.

Only an idiot bar owner is going to turn away paying pool playing customers to preserve the "sanctity" of karaoke.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:16 am 
If it's a successful karaoke night, how many people are coming for karaoke vs. playing pool?    If you say more are playing pool, then the karaoke night isn't successful.   If it's karaoke, then they will make much more money on the karaoke.

I guess it's very quite in there.  Nobody raises their voice if a shot is missed or one is made.   So the singers never get interrupted from pool table noise?   Must be a bar for the deaf.   Sing and play pool with sign language. :whistle:  

I have seen and heard enough noise coming from one table to out due a Super Bowl crowd.   The singers do not appreciate the noise.    I'll add this.   I do not get a screaming drunk crowd, so the noise is a big distraction for my quality singers.   For a bunch of screaming drunks it doesn't matter.

Pool or karaoke.   Make up your mind.  It's part of my professional operating procedure. :yes:  :O

Bar owners are all idiots so what's your point?   Pool table =  $4 an hour.     That's really big money.    A pool table will keep more good people away, than it will attract. :O     Because most people know that it's a very good reason for a bar fight to break out.     So people with normal brains don't want to be near the pool table.


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No you twit, it's a bar for everybody.  Some are there for karaoke, some are there for pool, some are there just to socialize.  Yes, people even carry on conversations while others are singing.  Be nice if they just sat in rapturous awe and listened, but it just doesn't work that way.


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Bigdog @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:16 am wrote:
Bar owners are all idiots so what's your point?   Pool table =  $4 an hour.     That's really big money.    A pool table will keep more good people away, than it will attract. :O     Because most people know that it's a very good reason for a bar fight to break out.     So people with normal brains don't want to be near the pool table.


Again, you are being the idiot, pool tables make WAY more profit than liquor/beer sales.  Why do you think that 95% of bars have pool tables in them?


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twansenne @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:35 am wrote:
Bigdog @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:16 am wrote:
Again, you are being the idiot, pool tables make WAY more profit than liquor/beer sales.  Why do you think that 95% of bars have pool tables in them?

I hope you are being facetious....

Because many heavy drinkers think they like to play pool, that's why. If you are relying on the maximum 5.00 per hour that a pool table will earn you, you aren't going to be a very profitable bar.


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Pool Tables for most bars are additional profit centers but no way are they more profitable than liquor or food. The most profitable item in the bar besides liquor and food is Poker Machines in our state. They get 35% of the net. Without poker machines many bars here would not be able to make it. They pay the rent and quite a bit of the overhead.

One of my gigs removed all pool tables to increase the seating capacity and dramatically increased the sales volume on Thurs, Friday, Saturday nights. He said that was the best decision he ever made.

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We have one pool table. When it gets to crowded people stop playing pool because there isn't enough room. The pool table has never been a problem for me, just a problem for people trying to play. When you don't have enough room to make a shot without bumping into someone it isn't any fun anymore.

One of the reasons I started doing karaoke is because I used to go into the bar to shoot pool. If that pool table wasn't there I don't know if I would ever had started singing or become a karaoke host. Kind of ironic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:59 pm 
I saw one pool table decision kill a very properous bar in 1 year.

On karaoke night the bar was 5 deep and every table in the place was full.   People came early to get a seat.    I showed up one week and there was a brand new pool table.  I knew immediately that they had made a huge mistake.    Had to take out 6-8 tables to get it in.    How many dinners/diners did they lose each night?     Because some idiot, talked him in to putting in a pool table.    

Within 6 months, after a tremenous lose of business he took out the pool table.   However it was already too late.   6 more months the bar closed and it is still closed 5 years later.   Pool table still equates to a bad reputation.   It may as well have been a biker bar or a strip club.    

Biggest mistake of that bar owners life.   Killed a very good business for a stupid pool table.     He would have been better off shooting himself in the foot.   Same result.   I've seen it happen more than once.

Thinking a pool table is good for a family bar business is nuts.     21er thinking.   Not real world, good business sense thinking.    Just like all bikers are out laws.   Pool table breed trouble.    Same stereotype = lost business

Pool or karaoke.   Make up your mind.


It's the same reason, even if my name was Harley Davidson, I would never have a bike night and my first vehicle was a motorcycle.    Best way in the world, after a pool table, to kill a good bar business.    Unless that's the crowd and reputation you want, [highlight=crimson]FOREVER[/highlight].    You will never shake that reputation.


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