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junting off from my "A new look at format shifting, and copyright violations" thread....


Ok, reading in the other thread, that there is a rumor that the karaoke Manus are going to bite the big one.  And it dawned on me, and perhaps it has crossed the minds of others.

Record companies need to start making karaoke discs of songs they release.  Gosh, thay have the master tracks, all they gotta do is remove the vocal tracks, and add in the graphics.  HOW SIMPLE COULD IT BE????  Why, Why, Why, havent the majior labels gotten into karaoke?  Sure it wouldn't make a  truck load of cash, but it sure as heck would make some, since production costs would be low.  All they gotta do is hire some karaoke geek to make the lyrics.

Seems too simple.

Its been done in Asia. I just can't see why they are not doing it in the west.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Twansenne; it's a great idea.  And maybe it can be done some of the time, but there has to be ethical, or financial, or legal questions for them as well.

Let's say I'm Geo Strait.  Someone just wrote a song for me and I recorded it with MY band.  What would the record company have to do to persuade me to let my vocal be eliminated, while my guitar playing and the other instruments in MY band are focused upon, along with the vocal backup I helped to develop and all for a Karaoke Disk?

There ain't enough money in the world to get me to lend all of that to a karaoke production!

Hey If I was George Strait I would love to have my songs out there in karaoke and having thousands of people singing my songs. There would be little doubt in my mind that it would generate more album sales and in this case more revenue from the sales of karaoke discs as well.

I think twan has a great idea!  build in the royalties for all levels of production and artist fees and let's have some quality sound tracks that are 100% accurate and legal all at the same time. Sure would solve alot of problems.

It's a great idea in theory but is it practical? I do not understand enough about the record business to know.

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FlipSide Karaoke
Scott

But, flipper, on the Karaoke version Geo is gone, except for his guitar picking. He didn't write the song so thousands of people are not singing his song.  Furthermore, I not sure that people singing a karaoke song rush off to buy the original recording it came from?  Do you?

Then the record company comes to Geo and tells him they want to give money to the band, including a little to him for his guitar picking.  There's not much money involved for anyone on the karaoke production side, they say, that's the nature of the business.  It's only in putting out volumes of karaoke material that it all becomes profitable.  They also mention that if the Ace In The Hole group isn't interested, they'll get an unknown band to cover the recording!

You are very very ignorant if you think that musicians are paid based on the % they contribute to a song.

They are not going to pay George Strait LESS just because his vocal track is not included in a CDG version. They are going to pay him MORE for being the songwriter, the talent, the name, the FRANCHISE. After the record company and distributer, etc. take their cut, George will probably get over 50% of the remainder, with the rest being split up among his band.

If done correctly, making karaoke CDGs from the original artists' recordings will mean nothing but MORE money in the artists' pockets!!

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C Mc
KJ, FL

Of course, the problem is that the recording company and the artists do not know that karaoke can be a major side income. I am refering to western record co, and artists and not Asian.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

TopherM   I CREATED THE SCENARIO IN MY DISCUSSION AND GEO STRAIT WAS NOT THE COMPOSER NOR DID HE CONTRIBUTE TO CREATING THE SONG!

SO, there are no intellectual rights that have accrued to Geo or his band!  And most "musicians" and backup singers get no royalties on records.  They get their fee for the session; that's it.

OK, well that is the exception, not the rule, so it is kinda a silly senerio. 99% of the artists out there either write or contribute to creating the song. Those that do not are called cover bands, and don't even fit into the discussion of original karaoke CDGs. Even Brittney Spears and that genre of artists that do not write their own songs are still provide creative input and "own" a part of the song by being the singer. They might only have a small claim to the ownership of the song, but they still have a contractual ownership of some kind for their contribution as the singer and are compenstated thusly. The same model would be in effect for the royalties from karaoke songs. Just because Brittney Spears didn't write the song and her vocal doesn't appear on the karaoke track doesn't mean that she wouldn't get her same compensation, because when it comes down to it, it is marketed as a BRITTNEY SPEARS song using her likeness and name!!

If George Strait didn't write the song or contribute to creating the song, then that song, my friend, is a cover song!! If, however, others created the song then handed it over to George Strait in order to use his NAME and TALENT to make that song a success, then there is certainly a compensation package in place to financially compensate George Strait, and you just have to include the karaoke royalties in whatever package they work out. No "behind the scenes" writer or studio musician is ever going to claim he should get more for a karaoke version of that song because George Strait's vocal don't appear on it, because no matter who wrote it and plays it (unless it is a cover song), GEORGE STRAIT is the talent and name that gets that song sold!!

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C Mc
KJ, FL

Regardless of the pay structure.   They will still be adding to the overall income by doing it.

Isn't money, money?    More money makes it sound even better.

The world's richest man (BG) has not quit working yet.  :whistle:   So nobody ever has enough money.  :shock:  :O

So they can't use that argument.