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Chance is, nothing will happen if you have the phantom power on; just unnessary.

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True, unless you lick the end of your mic cord before pluggin in the mic  

But having the phantom power on, will do nothing to improve your audio, unless, of course, you are usinging a condensor mic.

But why take that chance if it isn't necessary?  I had a mixer that would give a substantial crackling through the speakers if the PP was turned on without a condensor hooked up to it.  Condensor mic hooked up, no noise.
We label all the faders & switches just to be seen in the dark a little better & we just called that the 'suck' button.  When people asked, we'd just explain, that it would suck if we pushed it!

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Dont touch phantom power it ruined a mic channel on my mixer. I loaned it to people who should have known better and they turned on phantom power when they turned on the mixer instead of waiting until I could set up for them. Pops and explosions all over the place...the mic channel was left with a distinct hum on it so its gone back to the shop.

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I use MG16, 2 condenser mics for the drum set, and the rest of the mics are dynamic. The phantom power on the board have only one switch for all channels. So the dynamic mics have a dose of voltage too.

Just be very carefull when unpluging the mic; the phantom power need to be off before doing it.

Note: This is the few situations when you will have the dynamic mics channels with phantom power.

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From Shure:

http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure ... JldGEgODdh

in my case it didnt damage the mic it did however damage the channel

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I think the biggest problem is Choice of Mic for use with non professional / non Microphone savy singers. The Shure Mics you are using will roll off bass response when the mic is more than 1/4 inch away from the sound source. This would explain your trebely singers vocals.

From Shure: PROXIMITY EFFECT
When the sound source is less than 6 mm (1/4 in.) from the
microphone, the microphone boosts bass frequencies (by 6 to 10
dB at 100 Hz), creating a warmer and richer bass sound than when
farther away. This effect, known as proximity effect, happens only
in unidirectional microphones like the SM58. The SM58
low-frequency roll-off provides greater control, allowing the user to
take full advantage of proximity effect.
APPLICATIONS AND PLACEMENT
The SM58 is ideal for close-up vocals and can be held in the
hand or mounted on a stand.

Also keep in mid that this being a Cardioid mic means that it will pick up a much wider range (from the sides and rear) of sound and may be including your music in the mic mix especially if your singers are very mobile on the stage or if your stage is small with the speakers closer together. They (Shure) even go as far as recommending that if a stage monitor is used with this mic that it be directly behind the mic and again if your singers are moving around very much it will pick up the monitors and other noise.  It could be that as you turn up the mic's you are also in effect turning up the music accidently just from bleed over.

I use the Nady's myself because they don't sound too bad and they are cheap so when they drop them I don't have a heart attack. I do have some experienced singers that I will pass a more expensive mic to (not real expensive but better quality Audio Technica) which does a fine job even when the singers move around.

Hope this helps.
John

There is a gain control on the SM58 mic that you can turn up if you want to make the mic "hotter" like the cheapie you mentioned. Look about a 1/2 inch up from the base of the mic and you'll see a very small screw. Turn it slightly clockwise and it will increase the gain on your mic!!

Have you tried cutting the mid band in your music channel and boosting the mid band in your mic channels? I think this is the best way to increase the presence of vocals in your overall mix!!

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KJ, FL

That isn't a gain control, that is the screw that hold the XLR portion of the plug securely.

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Hmm...I have never bothered with this screw before, but someone told me that on this board a while back and I just believed it. After looking at the user's manual, there is nothing about that, so I'm wrong!!

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There MAY be that kind of an adjustment screw on one of the wireless versions.

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If I didn't know better...I'd say that I posted this thread.  I too have the same issues with the sm58 mics.  Personally...They are awesome mics for the price, but 75% of the people that sing...don't know wtf they're doing and want to sing by wispering into the mic from 3 feet away, they don't work that way.  I'm always "way" over driving the mics to try and get sound from the normal individuals.  Then I'll get up to sing a song and it's like I'm am shouting at the top of my lungs, then can't hear the next 10 singers....hardly at all.  Constantly saying...speak up please, sing into the mic, eat the mic, etc.  These aren't the cheapie radio shack mics, they are made for vocal singing, if you use them correctly..they are great!  At least I know I'm not the only one with this issue...MrD

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Love this forum. Please dont let it die. (Liked the XLR securing screw)
OK this is not a hard and fast rule... But... XLR connection is usually Low z (impedence) Wheras 1/4 jack unless otherwise indicated is usually Hi Z.
The impedence will make a big differance to your volume levels.
You must make sure yor mic Z matches your input.
OK the gauntlet is going down...
The cheaper mics can actually be improved by using thin polystyrine.
Can anyone tell me why