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you said a mouthful there.  we went through sound guys left and right for about a year until we found one that knew his stuff.

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All work and no play make Homer something something

and then there are those of us in the real world who lug 40kg speakers themselves and have to do their own tweaking while trying to remember the words

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

one word......casters!  makes moving speakers soooo much easier!

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All work and no play make Homer something something

I guess it does but the bloody casters wont get them up on the stands and the stands up to max height

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

As I said,  Hat's off !  I don't have the confidence to do that anymore.  I'm never too proud to ask.  "How does that sound" ?  Problem is,  that is followed with..

"Well, is that better"  ?

OK, How about now  ?

OK, and now ?

You can here THAT out where you are ?

(There's also the favorite at these bar mitzvahs, weddings, and parties.. The older couple that comes up asking...  "Can't you nice people turn those speakers off and play nice music"?)

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I pursued a suggestion on a previous thread about wind up stands and have priced them at $500 the pair

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

honestly, my son does my gig once in awhile.  he has trouble lifting the speakers ot the stands so he lays the tripod stands on their side and slides the speaker on that way.  then lifts the stands.  not good on the stand, but it makes it much easier for him.  i can always buy new stands.  i can't buy him a new back!

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All work and no play make Homer something something

Look into the Ultimate Support or Onstage power cranks for about $180. Not sure what the US crank stands cost now, but they should be well under half your current price.  Of course your location does make things tougher in some cases I suppose.

I need to check out a few Auckland or Wellington Music stores online just to get an idea of what sells for what price,  and what is affordably available on your side of the world..

ALL,  I apologise for chatting in here.  It wasn't intentional. I'm out've this thread now..

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that would be cool Kappy. I am a tad worried bout how to explain away $500 to he who is the next best thing to a Scot. Thats one hell of an investment for a couple of stands

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I'll do some checking around, and post what I find in my music and musician thread.  I don't want to spend too much time in the tech forum.. I'll have something for you in about 12 hours.  I want to check out Melbourne music too... At least last they were around they had some really nice stuff !

Briefly checked Vicki,  they no longer have what they had 10 years ago.. They really had nice FX stuff, and a large vintage dept. Now they do alot on Ebay..  How about a local Ebay auction for you ?  Check out Ultimate support crank stands, Atlas crank stands, or Onstage, or Proel crank stands (assuming Proel has them out).  Ebay local might work for you assuming you watch for particular brands ?

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australia is the closest to a local ebay we have. OUr equivalent is trademe.
Thank you Steven I appreciate your taking the time to look for me.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

btw, I did look for you. I wasn't aware of how tough it actually is in your area to find a music store that carries the selection, and has the type pricing we have here in the states.  Really in NZ,  I couldn't find much.  I even went to your local Ebay area. No crank stands... and it appears you do pay more in terms of your currency. It would be tougher (or so it appears) to need a broad selection of musical equipment and NOT be in the United States.  Here, music store often means "musical equipment". Over in NZ "music store" seems to mean just that, sheet music, CD's, etc.  Pro Audio, and even guitar shopping seems to be REALLY problematic, even in Australia. What you can buy appears to be more costly, but you are quite limited in terms of selection. Alot of the brands we like here in the states just aren't readily available to you, some of our better named brands, you folks can't seem to affordably get :(  I found out awhile back that in the eastern areas, unless the musicians are somewhat wealthy, and travel.... While we might use Gibson,  they'll often use Tokai guitars... You seem to have Proel stands more available.. I'll see what comes up as I look around.  Not sure about the terms NZ is on with Asian countries, trade policy etc.  Nor do I know about buying from Asian countries such as Japan, or China...  I've never been to your part of the world. Know nothing about the economics.  This is a tough project for me .

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and I am unsure as to what to offer as an incentive. Steven I am grateful to you and thank you for validating the fact that we do indeed suffer extortionate prices and slim pickings in the way of selection. I am sure others have simply seen me making feeble excuses at their sound advice...not so.
Please do not spend too much time on my behalf I do appreciate the trouble you have gone to til now I would insert a hug here but as you have been shortlisted as a possible shower boy I dont want to get tongues wagging

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 LMAO

One thing I do feel (despite whatever sides of the discussion we each take regarding this discussion) Big Dog, is that Hartley Peavey puts out a damn find product, and the Scorpion especially the BW speakers are excellent speakers sounding good at many different settings. So I do think the Peavey cabs and speakers will sound better during applications they are designed for even with less tweaking than perhaps even other decent super sensitive speakers (such as JBL) that seem (at least to me) to be super sensitive to certain things that might make such speakers a tougher product to work with, because they are VERY clean speakers, crisp responsive, and super sensitive. I vaguely recall Electrovoice SRO's, Altecs, JBL's to be good speakers for what they do, but so clean, they can be tough to work with at non-distorted volumes for many live applications. But again, I only used these thru a tube head which is different.  Not sure about Celestions, or Scorpion and BW speakers.  But might they be a more forgiving speaker that sound decent at many different settings not requiring as much fine-tuning to sound decent for standard club size apps ?   Dunno.

Certain cabs and speakers have appeared to be (in my past) almost "plug & Play" type hardware given a particular genre, (but I don't know this as fact once you get out way in front, since tonal characteristics vastly change as the sound travels from the stage to most listeners, ESPECIALLY at the bass frequencies). So while they sound excellent and balanced at lower volumes, and higher volumes alike.  Some cabs and speakers require higher volume psuching them to sound good,  but they also might break up at certain frequencies, or are too aggressive in response, too flat.. Maybe the blackwidow 3-way cabs with 15's and 18's are just really adaptable cabs, and easy to use for bar-type settings, given popular music..I'm not sure about this.
My probs were often differences in the folded horn rear firing projection bass cabs (Sunn Coliseum reflex cab) vs. certain other reflex cab designs, or just front firing speakers... Despite what configuration you use,  bass cabs at higher volumes, (and amps too of course) always sound different than the harshness you hear when in front of them.. The sound often mellows, changes .  Unfortuneately this also makes accuracy near the stage tougher to attain because it's not too accurate a gauge at high volume larger venues.. Mistakes and inaccuracies travel and can be heard more clearly much of the time, Because it balances on the stage, doesn't mean it's balanced.. Peavey might be a more forgiving speaker..  I especially liked ElectroVoice speakers and cabs for this reason too regarding lower frequencies and mid handling.. But again,  I don't know about response with ss equipment.

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I junked my PV speakers and I only use Yamaha now.

Those BW speakers and scorps are really nice speakers !  At least for some apps. I don't know much about vocal apps.  I need to check.  I know NOTHING about Yamaha PA stuff.  Except many were using Yamaha cabs around the time Altec VOTT was no longer as popular.  Naturally I was spoiled by what to me sounded like the best.. Altec bin separates. (not to mention the tube amp driving it giving it such warmth)

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I have 2 sets of Peavy Impulses with BW's in them and they are awesome. I have had nothing but good luck with them. Going on 5 years with them now.

I also have a set of Yorkville Y150's that are now on their 9th year without any problems whatsoever.

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Yorkville are known to be very good speakers as well !   Who makes Yamaha's speaker though, IF they make their own, this is very new to me.   What would make Yamaha stand out from other cab designers and speaker makers ?  I haven't priced Yamaha vs JBL vs EV but quite honestly, why would a person not wish to spend likely just a little more for Lansing, or EV ?  Otherwise I'd go with the Black widows or Scorps for a different bass response ?  Dunno...  Since I've not heard yamaha in ages, I haven't a clue what they sound like.  Just wondering the differences in design and speaker type.

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EMINENCE Drivers Are Used In YAMAHA Speakers. As Well As Many Other Quality Speaker Manufacturers. YAMAHA CLUB SERIES Are (In My Opinion)The Best Bang For The Buck Speaker Made Today At $300 Apiece, Provided Sufficent Amplifier Power Is Used To Drive Them. I Use -4- 15 Inch Clubs For Mains And -4- 12 Inch Clubs For Monitor Mixes In Addition To -2- MACKIE SRM-450S As Well For A Monitor Mixes. If You Read Reviews About Yamaha Club Series You Won't Find To Many Unhappy Customers.

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