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Yeah, a new hoster.  NO WINAMP, cool looking I hope, full DJ package, easy to set up, all the best parts of SON with none of the garbage, and a few new twists as well.
I'm actually planning this one instead of throwing it together.

Right now I have to find out what the polynomial is an which symbols are in the finite field.  College was a long, long time ago.  Ooooo, my brain hurts!

 :oh yeah:  :oh yeah: [schild=1 fontcolor=000000shadowcolor=0 shieldshadow=0]Beta Tester Here![/schild]

Eben you seem to have a handle on the whole RS error correction thing.  I have been looking at it all day and have only a glimmer of how it works, but I do have a question.  
If one of the four parity bytes at the end of the packet had an error, and I was to change one of the bitfields in the data packet accroding the ECC which is working with wrong data, I would actually be increasing the chance of error by using it, wouldn't I?  I'm lost....

Well, I have now spent two full days exploring the sex crazed, power-mad world of abstract Algerbra and Galois fields and I kinda sorta understand it almost, even though I have not been able to get the numbers to work in the ECC, but I have faith it will come.  

Although Error Correcting Coding (ECC) exists within the the CDG file, I doubt any player uses it for two reasons.  First, RS(24,20) could only correct two bits in any one packet which would not conpensate for a bad rip.  Second, it is a processor intensive operation which could tend to slow the player down, as every packet, not just the command packets would have to be examined.  The processor has better things to do, like playing music and changing keys.  It would raise the minimum system requirements on the finished program higher than I would like.  The long and the short of it is that when I get it figured out I might put it in a ripper, but not in a player.

Powerkaraoke, you seem to have used RS ECC in one of your products (even though you got the numbers backwards) what do you think?  And what the heck is the prime number they used in the galios generator?

You may test it. Get Power CD+G Burner and try ripping with the high speed. Then do the same with Audiograbber and observe the difference. We do use ECC in our software and it works very well (note that your drive must not support CD+G on native level to test this properly, so do not test on Plextor).

Yes, the ripper is the place for it.  But I'm not working on a ripper.  There are too many good ones (such as yours) out there.  I'm still clinging to the idea that my new software will run on a PIII 500Mhz under '98.  I have a thing for old computers.  It's the player I have been working on.  I have a working reader but it doesn't employ RS ECC for the reasons stated.  Anyway, this has to go to the back burner if I want to get the beta of the new hoster out by mid Feb.  I don't suppose you could tell me which prime number they're using in the Galios generator.  That would save me a lot of time if I knew for sure.

Okay guys.  I've been beating my head against  the Galois wall for almost two weeks now.  I have come to conclude that I just don't have the background to understand the language that the descriptions use.  Shame, shame, shame on me.

Eben, powerkaraoke, do either of you actually understand this, or were you just blowing smoke?  If the former, I could really use some help.

Right you Americans.
Lay off exweedfarmer. HE ROCKS.
He has done for me (simply) what no one else could and it is enormous.
He may appear a bit health and safety, which our governments and consequently our firms and companys are trying to shove down our throats.
My system has never crashed... yea right. I believe you.
Windows is a time bomb waiting to happen.
You have been lucky. You may remain lucky.

O.K.Punk is there a bullet left in this gun or not.

exweedfarmer ROCKS...

Come on guys. he is trying to do something that will help us all.
There are some tech guys out there capable of helping.
Passing information will cost you nothing.
He is not simply compiling a hoster,
He is trying to compile the best hoster, which all of us
could benifit by.
Eban you know your stuff. Go that bit further.
There are others.
I am a HP server engineer not educated in the required field.
I unfortunatly cant help this way.
I used to be a sound engineer many years ago, 20 actually.
Dont call me an old fart... Me and uncle Sedam were very close.
He stored his wepons of mass distruction in my loft.
So if you dont want me to gas myself, be a bit more forthcoming.
Thats it. Soap box has now got to be burned for heat.
Cant afford gas anymore. Shame for me.

Weed....With every operating system moving toward faster and faster and bigger and bigger, why do you want to make a hoster that will be obsolete before you get the bugs worked out of it????    I learned how to compute on Windows 3.1.    Just as I was getting the hang of it, out came 95 which looked to be way over my head.   Now we're on XP and the new Vista is coming out.     When I complained to my computer guy about having to switch to 95, his response was "they are only going to keep getting more sophisticated."    They will only move forward, not backwards.

Computers and programs are like the fashion industry.   If they don't keep making clothes go "out of style", they would all be out of work next year.     No need for fashion designers.

It's getting harder to find computers with 98 anymore.   Pretty soon programs designed for 98 won't work, period.      

So I'm just a little confused about the need for an obsolete hoster.      I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that one to work with existing/future OS, would be better.

I know what you mean about old programs/OS.    I am using an art program that I love.   I have tried the upgrades and quickly removed them and stayed with the old one.   I'm still using version 10.   They have already unleashed version 21.    I won't even look at it.      But someday if I get a new computer with a different OS, it may not work and I'll be screwed.   I guess that's my whole point.     Will anyone want to buy a program with a limited working capability?

You know Gates already has the replacement for Vista laying on the shelve.   But in order to get more money he has to wait for everyone to switch to Vista before he lets the new thing loose.     Oh jeez.    "You will need to $$$$ upgrade $$$$ "all" of your MS programs to get them to work right."     >>>>$$$$$$$$$ evil grin and hand wringing"  $$$$$$$$<<<<  That's funny, I never thought about that...HaaaHaaaHaaa <<<evil Laugh......hire some more accountants>>>

BD, it dosnt matter what mood I'm in, your posts have a habit of chearing me up.
Thankyou.

BD: I guess the reason that I'm keeping '98 compatibility is so I won't have to upgrade MY karaoke computer.  That doesn't mean that the new project will be obsolete before it's on the market, it means that it will run faster with less chance of error than the rest of them on XP.  Vista is a bridge I will cross when I come to it.  One day soon I may surrender to the evil black box that is DirectX, but not quite yet.  Not on this project anyway.  KJX will blow the doors off everthing else on the market and run on old junky computers, I gar-ron-teeeee!