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I haven't been asked yet, but I feel the question coming. Now that the owner has mounted my speakers, so I can leave them up when has bands, I'm worried that the bands will want to use them.

I'm not comfortable letting people I don't even know use my equipment. If they ask I'm going to say no. Am I being selfish?

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No,  not selfish at all.  Problem is, how do you prevent others from using your equipment if your equipment stays in the bar as a permanent fixture ?  Was his mounting the speakers a good thing ? or in doing so, has he assumed joint ownership of them ?  OR, view this as though you are loaning them to his bar.  If something happens to your equipment because of improper use, you can be sure the bar owner will not assume responsibility.  Others SHOULD NOT be using your equipment. Your equipment should not STAY in HIS bar, It's YOUR equipment, and it should leave with you at some point, you should always have easy access to it !!

Let him mount HIS equipment. Is this the same bar owner who told you one night (saturday night when you showed up) he was using guitarists instead, and didn't need you ? He might use them, or allow them to be used and not even ask. I hope you have evidence these are yours too !    Don't be so trusting Babs,  seriously.  Is this the same bar owner you were having issues with in the past ?  If-so,  I wouldn't put it past such a person to assume "squatters rights" to your speakers if you allow him to make those his house speakers.  Get them out've there. Never leave your equipment anyplace indefinately !

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No one else needs to be using your equipment when you aren't there & without permission.  If you find out the bands are using you speakers, then you take your speakers.

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Unless they are going to pay for wear and tear, replace anything they break or damage, etc., I would tell them NOOOOO...

Your bar owner has to understand that you can't let thousands of dollars in equipment be at the mercy of anyone who he wants to use it!!

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No. Lock your speaker inputs. Very simple modification with a hinge and a lock.

I hate to say this, but I would have stayed with my stands.  A couple of years ago the place I play at bought some of their own equipment.  (Pieces of crap)  They tried to get me to use "their" system"; I said no.  There are two other people that do KJ/DJ on the nights I'm not there.

They don't know how to set systems; and I don't want to have to come in behind someone like that.  My system I know.  I either sink or swim with it.

The club doesn't pay the other two like they do me either because now they are using the "clubs" equipment.  And as was said, the "supports" for "your" speakers may soon have a "price" attached.  I hope not.

Owners will try to always get the most for the least.  I may soon be leaving my present place.  My owner has forgotten I don't do this to eat.  But I will run it as a business, and if need be; move on.  Have to many place closer to home then to start working odd hours or make less pay.

I'm getting off thread. Sorry.  Been at odds with my place this past week.

Just becareful Babs.  Either they pay to use your equipment or leave it alone.  Personally I want my equipment left alone.  That's why it goes in and out the door as I do.

Kelly

First off, NO to letting some use my equipment, unless they PAY ME!!!!!

Now, how to prevent others from using your equipment.  Get some COvers made that are a bit loonger than needed, and punch in some metal gromets at the opening of the cover.  Put the cover over the speaker, and secure it with a paddle lock through the gromets.

Tell the owner it is to prevent tings getting spilled on YOUR speakers!

Babs I wouldnt either...even tho I let the other band plug into mine last week. Its difficult wearing two hats sometimes. The entertainer hat said sod it let their sound be weaker than ours but the promotions & marketing hat insisted that the whole night had to go well to ensure we filled the place again next year. The other band actually offered to pay us.
I refused cos one day I will call in the favour.

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Let me reiterate on ONE issue I brought up Babs.  I WOULD allow a friend I know I can trust to borrow certain Microphones, even certain amps, FX pedals etc, and if in a pinch VERY reluctantly a decent guitar (and this is very risky because I don't like my equipment getting damaged,  beat up or worn from rough use, I treat my things as well as all equipment with a certain amount of respect).  What you have with this "bar owner" is a business arrangement.  I know very few business owners who do that much just out of gratis, or to be helpful JUST to you.  From what you have said (same bar owner last three years)in the past, this bar owner is not a "giving" type person who first and foremost has ever done something JUST for your benefit.  Additionally, it's the Christmas season with MANY Christmas parties.  Some during the day, some on slower nights.  His volume of business is higher. I'm assuming (knowing what I know of you Babs), you didn't specifically say to him.

"I appreciate your willingness to help me, but I'm very particular about my equipment, and I DO NOT want anybody else using those speakers. In mounting these for me, I'm concerned about others using them, I do not want that.  I also do mobile parties and daytime weddings where I might need them in a pinch.  I must have easy access to these at ANYTIME.  I can't leave them here as a permanent fixture"

You work three nights a week as you stated.  How about the other four nights ?  No parties or bands there ?   I'm curious as to why he put energy, and some expense into building YOUR speakers into his stage, when chances are him buying his own speakers mounting them for HIS bar wouldn't have been an excessive additional cost considering labor and effort costs building and buying mounts and mounting YOUR speakers into his stage.  Why would he do this ?  I'm basing my concerns on your issues with this guy awhile back, and knowing how some business people can be. EVEN assuming you tell him.. "Don't use my speakers".  Does he feel he can get away with doing-so behind your back ?  Be careful.

Also there's the nonsense, but some truth to possession being what percentage of the law ?

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very diplomatically put steven

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I modified it a few times though   ..


Because the more I think about this recalling the things this guy did, and pulled on Babs awhile back,  the more concerned about this guys "good-hearted" actions I become. WAY before some of you were members here Morgan,  Bab's had serious and real concerns about this person.

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then I have but one thing to say Steven. I only give someone the benefit of the doubt once...no-one takes advantage of my good nature after I have become disillusioned with them.

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I agree with that to a point,  however, I give NOBODY benefit of the doubt regarding the borrowing of certain things I myself am very protective of.  If I feel too uncomfortable lending something of high value to even a friend, it's not worth the risk to the friendship, I won't share EVERYTHING of mine.  While a tiny rip, scratch etc might be nothing to MOST reasonable people, I have my own quirky issues with certain valuables of mine. Regarding such items *to me* a tiny rip, or scratch isn't something I want on certain items I pamper. This is how many people are. It's not wrong to say no regarding certain things.  Some people can't say no to others. I've made the mistake of lending valuable items of mine in the past.  I've also had certain people take a disliking to me because a reel to reel tape, album, amp head they lent me weren't as they wished them to be upon return, no direct fault of my own, things just happen in bars, parties etc.  They just lent me something they SHOULD NOT have lent to anybody, but never gave it thought, nor did I on their behalf.  All depends I suppose.

Musicians can tell you some interesting stories about others borrowing equipment, etc.  Live and learn. The floater insurance policies are bad enough as-is with even us using our own equipment for professional use assuming we don't take out a commercial (rediculously costly) policy. It's often just not worth lending stuff out PERIOD.


JMO..


Something I "baby" will never be loaned to ANYBODY.

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Kappy you are like a bull dog when you are protecting me - such a sweetie.  :hug:

I did talk to him about no one using my equipment and asked if my mounted speakers would be in the way when the bands came in? He knows how I feel about anyone touching my stuff and he has honored that. I am the only entertainment 3 days a week, unless he schedules a band which is on average once a month.  The bands that come in are the same bands he's used for quite a while and they have never disturbed my equipment before. He built a shelf for my mixer amp etc... which I knew would be a pain in the butt for the bands when they came in because it cut down on stage space. He did it for me and said the bands could work around it.

I have had troubles with this bar owner in the past and do watch my butt. He has learned to trust me and knows I bring people in, so he isn't fighting karaoke anymore, but realising it is his bread and butter. He knows I have had offers to go other places. I think he is trying to make sure things are easy for me, so I don't leave.

I like the idea of locking covers. Great idea Twans and Allstar !! Does anyone have a link to a store that would have that sort of thing?

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Babs, this is your buddy BIGDOG.     I smell a rat.     He has something else in mind.    Going with your gut feeling, what do you feel?   Second, NO to letting anyone ruin your equipment.   They will not pay for it.    We had a guy wanted us to hook up to his house system, we didn't and we didn't get the job.   I will never leave my equipment for someone else to use.   Also my insurance agent told me flat out that if I leave my equipment anywhere, it will not be covered.

Tell the owner you don't want ANYONE using your equipment.    If he doesn't like it you have to decide if it's worth walking out.     I just walked out on a 2 nighter.   Oh well.

I really don't think the bar owner has any ulterior motives. The bands that come in have their own equipment. I think the bar owner was trying to make more room, number 1, because I am drawing a bigger crowd then he can house. Plus he wants to keep me happy. I don't think he would want me to have any reason to want tpo leave.

The reason I posted the question was because my speakers are left up I thought the bands themselves might ask to use them. I am fortunate that when I am not there the regulars and the bartenders have my back. If for some reason a band just took it upon themselves to plug into my setup my friends would be all over them. Just in case the bar owner wasn't there. I have been working with the same people for years. We are always helping each other.

It is mainly my speakers I am concerned with. The rest of my equipment is covered and not  accessible. I still like the idea of locking covers though. Then there is no confusion.

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no WAY i let ANYONE who does not work for me use my stuff.  i have one piece of equipment i leave behind and that's a 100' audio snake.  it's run through the attic and i'm not about to climb up there every weekend.  i do leave some of my equipment at the gig, but it get's locked up when i'm not there and only the manager and i have the key.  i know i can trust him....besides, since i only live about 1/2 mile away, he never knows when i'll just drop in!

I agree with BD on this one.  if it smells like a rat.......the bar owner definitely has an ulterior motive going on.  bar owners NEVER give something without expecting something back.  there's just not enough money in owning a bar for them to do that.

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Wellllllllll...... that would depend on how well he handled my equipment the first go-round. If he treated it pretty decently, sure I'd let him (her) handle it again:)

*Oops, this is so not the "off topic" forum*

Sorry Babs... I read your question, and my mind went on a single track. Sorry.  :oops:

As to the real question, I'd pitch a hissy:) Tell the bar if they want speaks for whomever to use whenever, to buy some good ones of their own. I'd put my foot down if I were you. (and sneak in there once in a while one live band nights)

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I would not allow anyone to use my equipment period....I have helped a KJ out once before by lending him my spare amp for a private gig but I knew this person really well and knew that my equipment would be treated with respect.

Twan has a great idea with the speaker covers. I would have them made out of a heavy duty material like canvas and have grommets put on the one end, then snake a cable and put a combination lock on them. As long as it's not too much trouble for you to take them on and off I would do it. It will keep the honest more honest and the dishonest from using the speakers without a big hassle.

What type of speakers do you have?  Perhaps a hinged door with a simple camlock would work, that way you would not have to cover the entire speaker.

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Ya know I was kinda thinking same thing but I was too shy to say

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