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Wow, all this bickering and fighting over Bigdog....
The person you wanted gone the most, now causes the biggest debate.
I didn't vote to ban BD, no reason to. Most of his remarks were actually in retaliation over comments made to him. Think about  it, all he did was give you a mirror reflection of how you treated him. Yeah he was secretive about his personal life, his location, his show, so what. Most of you have been the same way to a degree. It's just a website folks, plain and simple. A place where folks come to learn about the art of Karaoke.
Of course it doesn't have to be all about Karaoke, but the site was created for that sole purpose, not a chat room for folks to discuss their ignorance over personal matters.
This is a KARAOKE site. Much of what is said between certain folks could have been said offline in a personal pm, but it seems that certain folks would rather air their dirty laundry in public, bringing the site down to a yahoo chat room rather than what it's original intention was. I've seen many a newbie come and go here, with questions about setting up shop, only to have their questions ignored all because people would rather fight with BD than offer needed and requested advice. So who's really running off the newbies? If they can't get what they want here, then yes they will go elsewhere, they will in fact learn from the suggested hacks, they will learn how to steal material offline rather than going through legit sources.
Even when BD and myself were going through our most heated debates, we still pm'd each other back and forth with level headed conversations. My thoughts were then as they still are now. As long as folks keep mentioning your name, you've made an impact, it's when they've forgotten you that you need to worry.
So take an assessment of everything he/she's said about equipment, shows, business practices and so forth, and weigh it out, how much was BS and how much was actually practical? You may have not liked the delivery, but don't kill the messenger because of the message. Since I've been here, I've had quite a few of you folks make comment about 'you shouldn't be using that, you should be using this, because it's the best'. Did any of you stop to think that when a person is starting out, that maybe they can't afford the best, that it might be a process of having to work your way up to get better equipment. But it never fails, that when someone mentions, 'budget' there's a whole band of people here that immediately dismiss their request of 'can I use this now until I can afford better?' to the 'no you HAVE to have this to be a success'. So to me, your comments are no better than what BD was offering. Now take note, I said certain folks, not everyone, but it will more than likely be the guilty party that will take offense and be the quickest to jump my case over my comments.
This site is not for just the privileged few, but for everyone and that includes BD.
Love him or hate him, but the bottom line is you can't ignore him. Even after he's gone, some of you still make him the center or your lives, how ironic. Maybe the act of indifference could have been better applied, or possibly the simple act of STFU.
But it's obvious to me that some of you would rather kill what you can't understand or tolerate, rather than going on about your personal lives and letting things be.
So do me a favor, if my post insults you, disagrees with you, or makes you feel uncomfortable because I don't mind standing up and pointing out obvious truths to hypocrisy, then ban me as well. I would rather stand alone in my beliefs than follow blindly with mob mentality. I am not a sheep, I am a human being, treat me with the respect that I deserve or send me walking. At this point, it doesn't really matter. When all of your focus is based on justifying banning someone, then what else do you really have to offer.
Nuff said,

James H. Gilbert

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Being critical of a person's success in any respect speaks volumes about the lack of your own.

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 :worship: Here Here James Thats why I dont come over to the forums too much anymore... I get so tired of every thread inevitably getting turned into a BD discussion.
Like you said
I admire you for being so honest & open...would never ban you OR BD.

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[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

But if you recall it WAS BD that stated, after people were suggesting smaller scale system, that professional karaoke could not be run without taking out a business loan & investing $20,000 into a system.  He said over & over that you could NOT be a true professional with only a $5,000 investment to "get you going".  Most people that offer their opinion on equipment are basically doing it from experience & they are going to push those experiences.  Some people love Behringer gear, others can't stand it, same with Voco-Pro, although I think the majority agrees they suck  :yes: , point is, a company CAN run a successful show with a relatively small investment...not talking about illegal hard drives & pre-loaded CAVS machines that don't have any discs to back up the claim that they own original media.  I'm talking decent equipment & a pretty solid core library.  BD always argued that it couldn't work & you WOULD fail.

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But if you could only ignore him....

If someone's saying something that doesn't apply to you, laugh in their face. That'd be like BD telling me I'm not a good gramma.... I'd laugh at his attempt to cut me low. Cause I know different.

So if you have no worries about the rude things he says... let him run out of breath.

IMO (and this may make some people mad, but it's not intended to)... if you get your hackles up about him saying you don't run a good show, or don't have a good system, blah blah blah.... it just makes it look like you DO feel innadequate in that area.  I don't hate BD, I pity him. I'd hate to have to live life as a braggart and have that bad of an attitude.

Oh, nevermind. I'm with James.
James, it takes a big person to go against the rest and stand your ground. I agree with you, this stuff is petty. And it just feeds the fire.

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TTowntenor, believe me I hear exactly where you're coming from. I'm proof that someone can take a 5 grand investment and make it work.
I'm living the 'one door closes, another door opens' life right now. My original and what I thought was a permanent gig fell by the wayside. The Marina I started out in, decided that they would close for the winter after all. I haven't said anything about it here, because rather than cry over my loss, I choose to go out and look for other gigs.
Ironically enough, the one place that didn't want to do Karaoke on Wednesdays, heard about my marina closing and wanted to book me weekends. I'm not really fond of the place, but a gig is a gig. They closed in the outside deck, but only put thick plastic over the windows, so it's still cold as all get out. But I've been working there just the same.
Day before yesterday, I got a call from a bar/restaurant in the next town and they not only wanted to try out Karaoke, but wanted to book me for both Friday and Saturday nights, which is killer and an answer to my prayers. I start next weekend to see how it goes, and if it works out, they want me permanent. But in my mind, I know there's no such thing as permanent, so I'll enjoy it while I can. But back to my original intention of sharing this. My new gig is a small place, maximum seating is only about 50 people. But guess what, my 5000 grand setup will work perfect in the place. It wont take up too much space and it wont be too loud. So things have a way or working themselves out. But because it is such a small place and the dead of winter is upon us, I did cut them a break from my regular price. Why? well I didn't want to outbid myself... and I wanted a steady gig to hold me through the off season. It was my choice, a conscious choice. Just like BD, it's a conscious choice to let his banter get the best of you, I chose not to. Yeah I would feed in and fuel the fire from time to time. But I look at it this way. His remarks didn't put food on my table, gas in my car, pay for my equipment, I made those things happen. In essence, while BD's comments were sometimes humorous, most of the time irritating, it didn't make a single bit of difference in the way I conducted myself when it came to my shows. Bottom line, only the person doing the show themselves can evaluate whether their setup is working for them or not. Do they need certain items to be successful? Should they upgrade? Only the person doing the actual show can make that decision.
As far as advice, I take from the best and leave the rest, but I'm the one that has to decide how much I can afford and how much I can invest. That's not bragging or being arrogant, that's just the reality of the business in my world. So I take it all with a grain of salt, the same way that everyone should've done with BD.
I respect your comments, very well thought out, you make some very good points, but I would never let anyone influence my decisions if it's something that's not realistic to what my goals are. I think others should do the same.
Thanks again,
James

P.S. I have personally used VocoPro, it wasn't my choice at the time, but now that I have the choice, it wont be VocoPro, that's for sure.

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Being critical of a person's success in any respect speaks volumes about the lack of your own.

Love as though you've never been hurt, Dance as though no one's watching, Sing as though God Himself were listening.

James sweety thank you for your reasonable logic!

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But after someone is telling you over & over that you don't run a good show - that they have never seen mind you - because it's not like his, it's pretty hard to ignore after a while.  I jumped on him often especially in the tech advice he gave which was always completely wrong - right idea but wrong advice - especially in the area of eq'ing a room which he thought was ridiculous to even think of doing.  Like said, people are here to learn, when someone is giving incorrect or simply ludacris info as to the correct way, yes i'm going to jump on that bandwagon to try to correct the incorrect statements.  I'm not claiming I know everything & when I get proved wrong, I admit it, not so in dogs case.  Even when he was proved wrong, not just from our statements, but from pro-sound sites proving him incorrect in all facets, he still would go on like they didn't know what they were talking about.  This does nothing to help someone who is here to learn how they can do something correctly, just to get them by, or whatever.

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I had already voted to ban him before that other thread was started. I was glad to see the thread from the standpoint that people would finally quit talking to him altogether. I was wrong, I often am.

The Dog is not banned. When I cast my vote is was because of the way he slandered my wife. I wish I had the opportunity to talk to him in person, and I really do mean talk. I don't mean threaten him with harm the way it is done in Tennessee, .

I've tried talking to him in the past. It did no good. People were not that helpful with me before they decided that I was trying to be popular or trying purposely to build my post count. We are talking about things that the Dog actually said. Yes, he actually said this (@$%&#!).

You're (@$%&#!)*d either way.

So what is the consensus? Things are not as obvious to some as they are to others. A little help is all a person can ask for. Does any of this matter? No, it's not real anyway.

(@$%&#!) it.

He often made points that I agreed with after wading through the crap that it was hiding in. I'm just someone trying to learn how to KJ. My opinion means little. I'm fine with that.

But Lonnie dahlin it doesnt take but half a brain to work out who the talented tech people are. In tech issues you are my god and always have been. That doesnt mean there isnt a place for entertainment as well. It would take a newbie moments to work out who have the best advice even if they are not technically inclined.
I defended BD some weeks ago yet told him in pm that I didnt agree with the continued c r a p he spouted. Since then I have ignored him. But I abhor the pack mentality that turns otherwise pleasant people into animals baying for blood.
everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion of him, me or anyone
but to start a thread "my vow" and encourage others to join in is in my opinion a sign of a weak individual looking for strength and impetus via "the gang"
If one has the courage of ones convictions one stands alone through adversity no matter what others think.
If your beliefs are not strong enough to allow you to make a stand solo then they are not beliefs, they are a vain attempt at gaining acceptance of others, or worse still an attempt at dominance over others.

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I agree with Lon. The amount of wrong imformation was abundant. I am no expert in the tech area and could see he was blatantly wrong on many occasions. Then when someone would call him on it he would attack with insults and name calling.

So many times I have tried to be fair with him - give him the benefit of the doubt. All I got for it was for him to get even nastier with me. I don't mind if he is here to share ideas, but he wasn't! He was here to put others down and feed his ego. If you counted how many times he has called us all hacks, it would be in the hundreds.

Towards the end here he had managed to turn every thread into it being about him. There was no staying on topic. There was no helpful advice. There was only, I'm BD and I am the best. How is that helpful or constructive?

No one made him stop posting. He was not banned from the sight. He has left on his own accord ! We basically just wanted him to stop insulting us and give helpful correct advice, but it appears he chooses to leave instead of doing that. Interesting  :O

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But 'dahlin', if a newbie reads his crap & takes it real advice, then that newbie is getting screwed because they may not know any better.  Some new people may actually go through old posts to find their answers then they'll know his were wrong, many newbies don't go reading all the past posts, they ask their questions & move on - now if they were taking his answers as correct which many do to start off, everyone would be pushing all the sliders on their eq up & running speakers systems without crossovers.  Not good for anyones behalf & I for one am not going to ignore wrong information to be passed on.  I don't mind differening info - that's where personal choices come into play, but wrong info doesn't help anyone.

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It is hard sometimes to equate real life with situations here.. I will tolerate anybody and bend over backwards to accomodate their shortcomings or annoyances. However when they become a pest to all my friends and insult them beat on their chest (I wont tolerate phonies) and do it time after time I will call them out... None of my posts were about BD they were directly to him.. When he ignored them that only substantiated the fact that he isnt what he claims to be. And when he got disrespecful to the ladies on here if it was real life I.....(I am from the old school)....

It is one of those incidences when one can walk 3 feet from the computer and the furthest thing on their mind is this crap, at least I hope so.. I dont belive in 86ng anybody even in a bar unless it is something that is illegel and evidenced. I dont care if he is banned or not but my tolerance for his crap is nil.....I still think it was a teen troll that some kj's had stiffed him and he was here for whatever..  AMEN

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"Threaten the way it's done in Tennessee?"  Come now Chuck.  I don't think James (maninblack) and I are THAT hard to deal with!

And as far as a "pack mentality?"  I don't think any of what was posted in that other thread wasn't anything that we haven't  all tried to get across to him.  I posted in that thread that forums are quite similar to a "community."  I think the attitude that many of us had to BD isn't anything different than a neighborhood would have to a specific neighbor who repeatedly had wild loud parties at all hours of the night; or kept such a trashy yard that it visually and health wise impaired the neighborhood. The "neighbors" would eventually group together to put a stop to it.

As Lonman said, what I hated the worst was the information he was passing out that was incorrect.  I would like for this site to be known for a place to come to get good information.  Different views or opinions are fine, but not information that is universally known to be wrong.

Kelly

then I have an "original" idea...lets get admin to get him to wear a star of david on his sleeve so EVERYONE knows he's wrong

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Morgan,  I see you are quoting me.  WHERE did that last line come from?  It is NOT in my post.  I would appreciate it if you could correct it.

Thanks,

Kelly

Sice I was the one that startte the "I VOW TO", I'll throw in my 2 sense.

I didn't call for a group ban of BD, but just wanted people to know that I would ignore him, and asked others to join in.  Sme one else started the BAN BD wagon.

And I agree total with Lon, and Babs.  BD, gave BAD BAD advice in the tech forum, and when prvoen wrong, would usually go on a rant.  And sometimes someone would be asking a legit question, and people would answer, and BD would throw in a snide comment that did not contribute to a thread.

When BD first started posting, I agreed with him some of the times.  As time worn on, his rants about pure karaoke, KJokes, hacks, and basically degrading people becase they did not meet his "standards, grew old quickly.  And when he was asked to prove his claims, he just dogged the questions.

If he was truly a legitiment KJ, and as good as he said he was, why did he not just prove it, and all of this could have ended.  As he stated, he worked at least 5 nites a week, but some of his post had times stamps on them that proved he did not do that.  It was pointed out to him, but again, he ignored it, and went on with his rants.

That's my

And I am sure he is still here, lurking around, and posting under an alias, unless the admins blocked his IP#.

He's been at least two people all along.....maybe more..........he's still with us

apologies Kelly, the end statement is mine alone and I am happy for anyone to know
I have edited at your request

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No problem Morgan.  I figured it was by mistake.  You're still on my "good" list.  Santa will still stop by later this month.

Kelly

thank you dahlin and I am not sticking pins in any doll that remotely looks like you xxx

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