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I'm back after being gone for a couple of days. Been working, ordering equipment and surfing this site, just did'nt have time to post replies. My Yamaha system is trickling in, ordered the Essential 450 vol. 1-3 off ebay. Got a monitor stand and 16 DKG Encore/Sing it now disks from Karaoke.com to get the >$88 free shipping limit. Also got the Supercore set off ebay for $80. Won a bid on ebay for a Karaoke neon light for the front window for $34.64, may have saved a few $$, but its being shipped fron Hong Kong (up to 21 days)! Is there anything the Chinese DON'T make?!

Have read the responses above and the literature I printed up on the MTU website on the Karaoke Video Hoster 3.312 says it can be installed on up to 2 computers, so this allows for a "backup computer" installation. Like I said, I have my home desktop/my laptop at work/wife's work laptop. 3 computers here alone. I'm kind of leaning towards stopping by a used computer shop and telling them what I need and seeing what they can hook me up with. Compaq is the most reliable desktop as of the Nov. 06 Consumer Reports but used would make it a year old or so. Dell/Compaq/HP would all be good, ratings vary very little.

I just revisited the MTU Hoster website after checking my drive signatures and the Karaoke Video Hoster 3.312 will read my NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A drive that I currently have installed on my home desktop. So, getting the Hoster software will allow me to bypass the purchase of the unreliable CDG players and give me the advantage of compressing all of my CDG's to Hard Drive right away. Any body see a problem with my reasoning? I do have Winamp on this desktop, just not installed. When the CDG's come in, I may install it and see how it works. Twansenne said I may need a download or 2 to get it tweaked right, but we'll see.  

Thanks everyone for your inputs...I'm learning a lot from this site, all responses are appreciated...

                                                                        bigjim56

[quote="lyquiddye @ Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:04 am"

Once again you prove how much you are an idiot.

I constatly maintain my computers, and keep them in perfect working order never touching the internet. I carry 3 computers and 3 copies of my hard drive. 3 may be over kill but i needed a backup this past sunday, when my video card failed to go into dual screen mode and I had to reinstal my video drivers, the next day.

I suggest everyone using a cps have 2 computers and 2 hard drives with identical contents.[/quote]

[highlight=yellow]DUH, now who are the IDIOTS?[/highlight] Your backup is your CDG library and your CDG player!  I guess that is only if you are using songs from discs that you actually purchased.  Of course if you illegaly download your songs, it would be easier to have a dupe computer rather than burning a CDG for backup.

Since I actual OWN all the songs I have on legally purchased CDGs, there is no need to have a backup computer.

[quote="Lonman @ Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:12 am"]Well I can see no need for a backup computer if you keep your discs & players with you at all times - which should be done anyway for legality purposes, but that's another argument.[/quote]

I guesss Lonman gets it, too bad others don't think before they jump to conclusions.

actually i agree with big dog *shudders!*  on this one.  but the reasons are different.  if i were running only one show, then the backup would be the discs and the player.  since i sometimes have conflicting shows, i use the discs and player for one show, and the laptop for the other.  i have discs copied and a sapre player with me incase the laptop crashes....how's that for a compromise?

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The reason for going digital is to no longer cd's. The orginal copies can stay safely at home. After using a computer for 8 years I'd never want to use cd's again.

nor do i, but the choice between using my backup cds to make money or not doing a show is a no brainer.  by the way, did you know that even if you keep your cds in the dark in a moderate temperature, the information contained on them will still deteriorate?

ask kany photographer and they will tell you your information should be backed up on a hard drive, preferably external, that is used for nothing other than storage.

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This is blatent multirigging & piracy at work.  If you are using the computer - fine, you don't use the discs.  If you are using the discs, fine, you don't use the computer.  Once you use both at the same time is what brings computer users lumped into the illegal catagory.  Simple fix - don't book 2 shows at the same time.  Now that's it's cheap & easy you figure being illegal will be ok to suit your needs?  If you were running a strictly disc based show, you would need another set of discs for a second show.  
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing hurting karaoke, & I know you are going to say it's once in a while, or I bought the music, blah blah blah, to me it's blatent theft which you are profiting!

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Darnit, ya beat me to it.  I have gone through the process of getting 2 sets of discs for my 2 systems.  Took a while scowering EBAY, and bartering with a few others that had discs I needed and couldn't find elsewharere.  But after thousands of $$$$ later I have 2 complete sets of discs.  I even have 2 subscriptions to the THM discs.  There are a few in my area that have 3 or 4 computer systems, offering 20K+ songs, and there is no way in h e l l that they have 4 sets of original discs, let alone 1 set of original discs.  Multi riggers that don't buy have a 1 set of discs for each system hurt the Karaoke biz more than the so called HACKS.
[shadow=green]R.I.P. THMR[/shadow]

Proves my previous point.  If it's there, the temptation is there.  The lure of money.  People say they won't do it, but.......

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for starters, i don't think it's illegal.  media companies use the same storage bank of purchased (through royalties, and such) music files to broadcast their music through numerous stations, but they did not purchase it twice.  you use itunes to download purchased music to your computer, then sync it to your ipod, but you didn't purchase it twice.  there is no difference and i'd like to see their lawyer convince a court otherwise.


[font=Impact]but let's not get into the whole discussion about this again.  it always makes everyone so cranky![/font]

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This wasn't suppose to be a question about the legalities.      It was to tell people they need to have a backup computer and backup hard drives, for their shows.    

No backups equal  STUPIDITY.    My B.S. Detector just went off again.  LMAO



Now talking about backups.   I use 3 cordless microphones at all times.     Tonight one of the receicvers would not fire up.   I tried the plugs and still nothing.   So I had to use 2 instead of 3.    If I only had 2 microphones there would have been nobody singing duets.     It cramped my style, but at least it still worked.   And didn't look like a total jerk.    

Moral of the story?


Be a jerk, don't backup anything, ever.    LMAO

Be careful who you take your information from.



I agree with Ldye.    :worship:    Why should I have to carry along 100 lbs of equipment that I'm trying to eliminate in the first place?  LMAO       That's the reason to go to a computer.    No more scratched discs, ever.  

1 hard drive, 1 backup hard drive?    $400

1 Computer, 1 backup computer?     $3000

Never looking like a jerk hack KJ?     Priceless.  LMAO  LMAO

It's really very simple.  :worship:    What's in your reputation?    

Lullaby and good night....    (Sung by me on a professional sounding system....)   Sleep nice.  :hug:

The radio stations with multiple outlets may only buy the rights to use the song one time.   But [highlight=crimson]everytime[/highlight] it's played on all of the affiliates, they pay the royalties.  :yes:


Illegal?????     YES it is, what you are suggesting.

Now, on with the show/s.  LMAO

Here's WHY it gets everyone so cranky.

1.) people who say "it's not illegal" are seriously misinformed. Heck, even the file conversion to computer "is illegal", so let's stop with playing the computer lawyers, okay?

2.) you are earning TWO incomes off one PAID for material. Period. There's no easier way to look at it.

3.) just because something is technically possible, doesn't make it RIGHT. It's MORALLY wrong. It's STEALING. if the technology wasn't there to put it on the computer or make backups, you'd HAVE no second library to draw from. If you take technology out of this equation!

4.) People who DO mulitple shows off a single library are making it hard on the rest of us that are at least trying to honor the spirit of the law. While violating copyright law, I am not STEALING from the manufacturers. People like you ARE. You are earning a paycheck or living from the backup library. It's called "BACKUP" for a reason.

I'm really starting to understand why Timberlea and others have a hard time believing people like me when I say I'm NOT using tracks I haven't paid for and I'm NOT using my backup hdd or discs at the same time!

One thing that those who contemplate "going computer" or purchasing some sort of digital jukebox system (CAVS, Vocopro) often fail to realize is that songs don't always rip perfectly.  Usually, the condition of the original disc is the issue.  However, sometimes the computer can be bumped in the ripping process or can be "interrupted" or can "glitch" for some unknown reason.  There is no guarantee that EVERY song ripped to a computer will actually play correctly.

A backup computer certainly is a good idea for KJs who are using computers to run shows.  However, all the backup computers in the world won't help you if the MP3+G won't play properly.  This is where the KJ who has the discs and the CDG player with him will have the advantage when someone's favorite song doesn't play properly on the computer.

Broadcasters are granted special licensing in which they can make copies, however they do need to pay for each copy made & played.  
Downloading through I-Tunes is for personal use, transferring to your Ipod is for personal use - there is no monetary gain.  You have taken 1 set of discs & made a copy of it (back up if you will) and have used both at the same time for monetary gain without paying for the second set - that is in where the difference lies.  If you didn't have the 'back-up' you wouldn't have booked a second show in the first place, but now because you technically have 2 sets, you feel it's ok to use both at the same time without paying for it.  Once the 'backup' is being used at the same time with the original set, it is no longer a back up set but an active library in which you didn't pay for.
I have no problems with computer users, but when they start using 1 set of music for multiple shows (anything over 1 is considered multiple) at the same time is now a blatent thief - i'm sorry !

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The set of disc you already own for backup? $0
The CDG player you already have for backup? $0
Looking like an idiot casue you think you need a backup computer, and spent $1700 for somthing you already have????  Priceless!

A backup computer is not necessary if you actually OWN the disc you have on your computer.

I DO NOT WANT TO CARRY ALL OF MY 900 DISCS.   I don't want to rely on my discs that are getting more wear on them 5 nights a week.    ONCE they are put in the computer they will never need to be worried about.    They will play the same every time.   They will not get scratched or skip because of a microscopic peice of fuzz.   The players will not need to be cleaned again.   Nobody makes a professional quality player that I am interested in buying or should I say wasting my money on.    This is my reason for going to computer.   So why in the world would I want my disc collection and worn machines, to be carried around all the time as my backup system?    :asleep:    The backup computer will have that job.    And my discs will remain safely at home.


Use one computer if you like looking stupid.    

Use one computer if you think you will never have a problem.      

Use one computer if you like to lose money, when you can not complete the job you are being paid to do.    

Use one computer if you have no reputation to worry about.

Use one computer and you will fall by the way side like so many other unprepared, unprofessional KJ hacks.  :yes:


My cordless microphone receiver that didn't work last night, needs to go back to Shure.

Guess who had a $600 BACKUP microphone?    I just swapped units today.   I have 3 working microphones again.      How long will the receiver take to come back from the factory?      I don't know.     Do you?


Never having a backup anything, Priceless.      LMAO  LMAO

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard of.    LMAO  LMAO     NASA never uses a backup.      One of everything and if anything goes wrong, YOU DIE????    Every system is backed up 3-4-5 times.     I can at least do one.    :yes:

Karaoke computer crashes with no backup, your show dies.      :wave:

My new Pioneer players and discs are not going to last forever, using them 5 nights a week.     Ohhh I forgot, nobody else has that problem.  LMAO   Nothing wears out at home, every night.

Telling everyone not to use a backup.....irresponsible.  :shock:  :O

to crawfish a little, i've never used both the backup set of discs (since i just backed them up last week when  i got the software) and the computer at the same time...yet.  was planning to do so for a wedding next month that the couple wanted to sing a little karaoke during the dj show.  re-thinking that now.  in the past i have dj'ed using the musinc i've paid to download and the music that i've ripped from cd's.  hmmmmm........i am beginning to come around to your way of thinking...

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I guess I got that idea from this statement.

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Accumulation of 1,500+ discs over 16 years.  Two discs replaced in that time.  Discs are in jewel cases in cases.  No lifting, they come in and out on the dolly.  Set up time 20 minutes.  Two players.  Only original discs used.  Completely legal.  See photos in album.

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yeah, i'm busted!  i was speaking futuristically (is that a word?)  knowing that i have double booked some weekends coming up.

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