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Is anyone here CAVS literate?

I have the CAVS 199 system.  I am trying to find a way to assign ID numbers and override the automatic assignment made by CAVS when I load in new tracks off my CD+Gs.  CAVS wants to assign the next numbers in sequence after the highest previous active number.

I have tried using JB199 manager and changing the number on the songlist.  But when I do that, after the song list is saved it deletes any numbers I assigned myself.  The only way I can leave my newly loaded tracks on the system is to let CAVS have its way.

I also tried to change the start number in the menu under Item 1 Jukebox, but it will not allow you to type in a number, you have to increment or decrement one number at a time.  Since I want a number that is 18,000 lower (I left a big gap between my DJ songs and my karaoke songs) it would take me days to push that button 18,000 times.

I am waiting for replies from CAVS, but they seem to ignore this question.  Makes me wonder if there is a program bug they do not want to discuss.  I was thinking this was a simple matter and I just needed them to educate me.

I love the system but this problem is frustrating my attempt to organize my data.

Anyone else dealing with this issue?

Copy and paste this post and send it to cav's, and see if that help's.
Just a thought

The best way to get Cavs help is call them and talk to their tech people. Don't bother with the user forum. It is a waste of time.

If you look in your manual there is an 800 number. I can't figure out by your discription what is going wrong. I have not had this problem.

I convert my CDGs onto my Cavs also. Are you using any of the songs that came with the player? That might be the difference. I started out by over riding all their songs and putting my own song library on the Cavs unit. It may not be seeing the new songs your trying to designate numbers to because you did not over ride to start with.

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thanks gang for the quick response.

Mr. October, I already have this question on their forum and as you might expect, it is 72 hours later and they have not released that one but have released other questions of mine.  I also sent them email and again they responded to other questions but not that one.

Babs, I try to call them, but they give me a recording every time.

Babs, when you loaded in your CD+gs, did you specify particular numbers or just take what CAVs assigned.   Mine go in fine if I accept what CAVS assigns.  My problem is that I either want to assign a different start number when I load them in... or go to the songlist that CAVS compiles and then edit numbers to different available numbers.  Have you tried doing any of that?  If so, how do you do it?

I'm sorry it has been so long I can't remember all I did initially. I do remember doing an over ride of existing files, but then I do think I let the cavs machine signify the numbers. I have a direct phone number some where for tech support. I'll try to find it for you. I'm going to update my song list soon. I'll play around a little to see what I can figure out for you when I do it. Watch for a PM from me in a couple weeks.  :dancin:

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OK Babs, thanks a lot!

I am really pulling my hair out over this one.

I could go ahead and get this job done by letting CAVS do the assigning.  But it would be hard to reverse, as then I would compile a new songbook based on what CAVS assigned.  I am dragging my feet because if later find out how to do this, I would then have to recompile and reprint all my songbooks, a VERY time consuming and expensive process.

Part of my plan is rather than suppress multiple versions of songs, I am building a chart, that let's my singers know which manufacturer is behind which song they select.  This depends upon a scheme where I reserve different banks of numbers for different manufacturers.  For example, Sound Design might be assigned numbers 18000 to 19999, and Chartbuster form 20,000 to 21,999, etc.  Experienced singers really appreciate this as they can quickly find the version they like.

There is a menu item under Item 2 (Disk Capture) which lets you specify a start number.  The only problem with this is that you cannot type in a new number.  You can only increment or decrement one number at a time by pushing an up or down button.  Imagine how long it would take to decrement by pushing that button 18,000 times to get to the bank of numbers you want to load.

Grrr!

If what I am doing cannot be done, then I wish someone from CAVS would just come right out and say so, and I would stop dragging my feet over this.  But I cannot yet get them to belly up to the bar and either give me clear instructions on how to accommodate what I need, or admit it cannot be done.  It amazes me there is no way I can find to type in a start number.

Smoky

Smoky, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to have a two letter code in front of every song # in the book to let your singers know which manu a song is from?  For example, you would have something like CB 13421 or SC 08947 or DK 10012.  If your songbook database is in MS Access creating a two letter manu code for all your song #s isn't really that difficult if they are listed by manu #, but you will have to be familiar with queries to do it.  If you use a two letter code for every song, it doesn't matter where they are in the JB-199.  

Not to mention that having a manu code is a whole lot more user friendly for the reader of your songbook for it would be obvious that "CB 13421" is CHARTBUSTER versus "13421" and having the reader have to find some chart in the book which shows the different manus' "number range".  You would still use a Manu Code Chart in your songbooks to ID the two letter scheme, but most people who know this stuff would probably have little trouble immediately figuring out most of the brands without constantly referencing the chart.  

I find it very suprising that you cannot specifically assign numbers to songs in the CAVS JB-199.  You certainly can do that with the old JB-99.

Mike:

taking your final comment first ... I am not positive yet that I cannot easily assign CAV numbers to my songs.  That is why I posted here, hoping that others might know how and share the knowledge.   I think maybe the song registration security in the 199 may be what is making it so hard.

How did you do it in the 99?

I love your idea of adding initials to the numbers.  However, that is a lot of editing work, as those initials will not be in the CAVS and will have to be added to the songbook after export from the cavs.  A very tedious process if each manufacturer is sprinkled all over the place inside the CAVS database.

There are other reasons for my wanting to assign numbers.

For example, right now my karaoke is assigned from 1 to 17999.  I have DJ songs from 35,000 to 37999.  

These leaves a gap from 18000 to 35000.  CAVs default is to assign new tracks to 38000 and above because it uses the last filled number plus 1 as a start point.

I want to get karaoke into that gap so it is contiguous.

Smoky

I got it - check your PM.

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OK here is the solution.

Simply move each 1000 bank song folder that is higher than the number you want to load to another folder.

Then CAVS changes it's high number to the highest number without those folders.

Then start loading.

Works great.