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I'm not surprised. This topic was dead for five days... but you had to bring it back up!  Math... that's how I justify my actions. Even if I had a rotation from he!! of sixty singers, they can't possibly support a normal bar. Most places that have a NORMAL rotation of 15-25 singers, you HAVE to entertain the REST of the audience... no matter how you justify YOUR stance, or I justify MY stance, the simple equation is that in a karaoke bar, you'll have more non-singers (so regular supporters of the bar) than you will have singers.

Yes, in most cases, Karaoke does support itself. But when you have ballad he!! night, or headbangers ball or even Hillbilly He!! ,  you'll have people getting up and leaving because of that. You as the guy or gal in charge HAVE to be able to adapt and change the pace. Mix music, and even dance music DOES just that. So does yappin' and acting like an entertainer, but most people get tired of that! Good for you! I don't think anybody's saying you CAN'T stick to your guns on this. What we're saying is it's tiring to see repeated ad nauseum!!  
whatever!
Sure they do. I was in business for 11 years in Portland, Oregon doing what I do best. Lonman's been doing it longer than that! THERE IS NO ONE WAY OF DOING ANYTHING!!Absolutely nothing. Unlike you, I'm open-minded and willing to try different things. Sounds like you're on the path of possible recovery. Let us know how it turns out! You're not half as clever as you think you are! Let it go! Wait, I thought you said it's not about WHO did what?? Okay, I admit it... you're an idiot!  Again, never said it DIDN'T work for you and the "pure kjs"... but it DOES work for US - that is, those hosts and jocks that use other means of entertaining the crowds!
you certainly ARE in denial! I agree!

Spot On Matt!!

Where I KJ(Matt Knows the place),  I would DIE on the vine if I didnt have dance music AND LOTS OF IT. Biggest bar sales nights are when there is LOTS of Dancing. They get up dance around get hot and sweaty, order more drinks, dance some more, sing some more, get sweatier and hotter and order more drinks and so it continues throughout the night. More activity=more consumption=more drinks=MORE $$ IN THE TIL. And thats the bottom line. I consider myself an important if not key part of the bar's selling team. Without the right mix of karaoke and dance music sales go STRAIGHT IN THE TANK.

The single biggest sales night we had in last 2 years was last year night before thanksgiving.........did NOTHING but LATIN SALSA DANCE MUSIC all night long. No Karaoke at all--the few that did ask for Karaoke I reffered them down the street to another place. Couldnt afford to slow down the GROOVE.
It was so packed I had people salsa dancing in my DJ area. We did almost 5,000 in sales that night. Now that was a very unusual night. But it was up to me as MC/HOST/DJ/KJ to ADAPT to the evening's conditions to MAXIMIZE bar revenue. If didnt we would have not MAXIMIZED the Business opportunity that presented itself.
And yes I did make plenty of tips too!

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If you played dance music and chased the karaoke singers away, tell me again how that is good karaoke.    I'm missing something here.    Self admittedly you just said your karaoke is a failure.   Your DJ business is booming.   Your KJ business needs dirt thrown on it.    It's done, over, kaput.    You will make some bar a wonderful DJ, not a wonderful KJ.     Just calling like you said it.   Not putting you down, not making fun.    Just a clarification matter.    Good luck in your new business.

Seems like you will make lots of money as a good DJ.

One by one you are proving me right.    :worship:  :worship:  :worship:  :worship:  :hug:  :yes:  :O

realism

get a life son or whatever you are.....

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Actually the Karaoke biz is alive and well where I KJ/Dj. I do Sundays and Wenedays. We're 7 nights a week. Karaoke upstairs, Cha Cha salsa club and live bands downstairs. Sometimes bands upstairs. Sometimes we do a mixed show with me DJing-then the band palys its sets-then I follow that with Karaoke--get the best of both worlds and the musicians usually hang out to sing karoaeke too! Clubs been doing Karaoke since 1991 and biz is just fine. Ill take a 5000$ night anytime however it comes. Not to is rediculous. It sounds like your place is a smaller neighborhood bar/pub where a dance nightclub situation would not work. We are a downtown destination NIGHTCLUB. Not a lounge or pub. Young crowd. They come to party and dance. The mix is about 30% actual singers to 70% non-singers/partiers/dancers. And heres a clue--when theres a singer.... theres only ONE PERSON onstage. When theres dancing going on there 20-30 on the floor at once. ALOT more CROWD involvement. The place would DIE if it depended soley on strait Karaoke. So give em what they want.  Make no mistake though-NOBODY LAYS DOWN A GROOVE LIKE THE SWINGCAT. Fact of life at our place.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

Problem is, there are always people in on karaoke nights that hate karaoke and they will request music with tongue in cheek just to keep the karaoke off the stage. (That's what I would do if that was the case for me)

"Can you play YMCA again for me?"  "I was in the restroom and missed the second chorus completely."

Thank you, please drive thru....

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Furthermore, the dance music is primarily hip-hop and rap. But can range from salsa to blues to country line dance to swing to disco, 80's to hard rock(Rob Zombie).  Heres how I do it, (thats me, not someone else at another place). I start playing warm-up music at 830 with a set of contemporary blues(Rod Piazza, Mannish Boys, Hollywood Fats Band, Mitch Kashmar), then move into disco(Earth Wind & Fire, Shalamar, Kool & Gang). Then some 80's(Phil Collins, Dire Straits, The Cars), then some 90's, then transition into hip-hop with Mr. Wintle. Next when some sings a paticlurlar type of song say a Country song then Ill follow it with a country song(say Boot Scootin Boogie), or a swing song followed by a swing dance song. Same for blues. If we have someone sing a Latin song I follow it with a Reggaeton(latin Hip-hop such as Daddy Yankee Gasolina and Pitbull Kulo and then a salsa song perhaps. And so it goes. Karaoke/Dancing. Karaoke/Dancing. And so it goes throughout the night. I take them on a musical journey. Gets the WHOLE Crowd involved whether they are singing or not.  Thats how I DO IT. Not neccessarily the right approach for anther venue. But it certainely DOES WORK where and when I DJ/KJ/Host/MC----ENTERTAIN.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT