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twansenne
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 Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:53 pm |
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Bigdog @ Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:47 am wrote: Jian, he wants me to quit a job to take him. Same night. Switch places. He does Tuesdays.
Ethics and business decisions are very related. Not sticking with your ethics could cause you to make a bad business decision and it could very much effect your reputation.
All of my Business decisions are made based on my ethics. And Vs versa. I don't think they can easily be seperated:
Lil DOg you are really turing into a troll. Your questions about this, weather business, or ethical, are only posted so you can stir things up again. The "answer" to your "question" is so obvious, it is redicolus that you asked it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:06 pm |
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I don't understand why you don't think this is a valid question/topic for serious KJs.?
Oh...wait a minute, I do now... 
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Chuck2
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:04 pm |
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Bigdog, Kappy pointed out Gas mileage. I agree with his point but don't forget to consider wear and tear on your vehicle too. $25 per night at that distance plus the time lost, now it sounds simple to me. I wouldn't go for that. Like James said though, $100 difference, I'd advise taking that amount.
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Babs
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:53 pm |
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I have been approached by different bars to work for them. I have
already decided if I know I would be as happy as I am now or more with a substantial money increase, my bar owner and I would have to sit down and talk.
It is nothing personal just business. If he wasn't willing to pay me more I would have to put in my notice. I think the ethical part is just being straight foward and giving him the option of keeping me if he wanted to by paying me more. Basically leaving the decision in his hands.
Now if I just stop showing up and left him high and dry that would be bad business and I suppose unethical. I think of it more as not leaving any burnt bridges behind.
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twansenne
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:58 pm |
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Bigdog @ Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:06 pm wrote: I don't understand why you don't think this is a valid question/topic for serious KJs.? Oh...wait a minute, I do now... Yeah I doubt it. There is NO VALID QUESTION asked, about ethics or businees in this loaded question.
Answer this...Do you work for $20-$25 per hour?
NO
So why are you even considering the new gig?
You aren't, your just being a troll, and trying to stir things up again.
Then again, maybe you are actually considering taking the new gig, you claim you are such a great KJ, yet won't let anyone know where you are. You claim to have a mind for business, but by questions ou ask, it is obvious that you have no clue. You claim to be an audiophile, yet you have no clue on how to properly adjust an EQ.
BTW, I know who you are and you do have a website, so why ya hiding?
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Guest
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:46 pm |
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Post the link. :whistle:
It's a question/ topic. That would be valid for any serious business person.
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:50 pm |
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twansenne @ Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:58 pm wrote: BTW, I know who you are and you do have a website, so why ya hiding?
There was a big thread a while back.
http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... 985#105948
Are any of those the ones you are thinking of? We kind of ruled these out as they didn't fit his equipment descriptions or song amounts that he has admitted to.
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twansenne
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:34 pm |
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TTowntenor @ Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:50 pm wrote: twansenne @ Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:58 pm wrote: BTW, I know who you are and you do have a website, so why ya hiding? There was a big thread a while back. http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... 985#105948Are any of those the ones you are thinking of? We kind of ruled these out as they didn't fit his equipment descriptions or song amounts that he has admitted to. With a little sleuting and with a little bait and posting times, I found,lil dogs IP and traced back to Brooksville.
So yes it is the bell sout website
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twansenne
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:05 pm |
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Oh yeah, what about this little gem....
http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... ght=#91420
Quote: just sold a complete system and a van. The price included going with me as many nights as they wanted, for 6 months. I taught them everything I have learned for the last 14 years. I'm still giving them a hand finding jobs, troubleshooting help and business related matters. Right now, they work 3 nights a week at $175 cash a night, for four hours. They both work full time (real) jobs. yet lil dog claims that she/he can't let us know where he/she gigs at becasue we might come and get all the info on how to be the worlds best KJ. lil dog steps in it agin http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... ash#107897Quote: That brings up another matter. The newbie I trained just started a new gig. and steps in it once again And now back to this ETHICS thing, seems all to familiar..... back in July..... http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... ust#104664Quote: Just had a bar owner come in last night specifially for me. His bar is 30 miles from here. He wants me to replace 2 alternating wannabes that keep blowing him off and don't have the right equipment or enough songs. It's on a Tuesday and I'm already booked. Anybody need a steady Tuesday night. He charges $5 a beer so it ain't a dive. The crowd is already there just walk in and be the star. Oh, I forgot, there may be some non singers there so....And you would have to be as good as me with top quality equipment and a lot of songs. Ooooo.... hope that didn't eliminate anyone. And FF to now..... Bigdog @ Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:47 am wrote: Jian, he wants me to quit a job to take him. Same night. Switch places. He does Tuesdays. Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMM Bigdog @ Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:22 pm wrote: His job is at least 35-45 minutes away+turnpike fees and a lot of gas.
30 miles on tolls in FL, probably about 35-45 mins.
lil dog needs to clean its feet casue it is really stepping in it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:49 pm |
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Everything that has been and is posted now, is all true, so I really don't see where there is a problem with my ethics. My stories contain the same info, no matter how many times or how long ago I wrote them. I would say I'm pretty consistant, wouldn't you agree? When all you speak is the truth, you don't have to worry about somebody trying to trip you up with words you never lied about. :O
Bigdog is a stupid name for a karaoke company. Not very professional sounding.
Yes, there is pooh on my feet. It's from all of the crappy KJs I had to step over to get to the top. Do they still crap on the bottom levels? 
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:51 am |
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Considering leaving one gig for another should never be about ETHICS.
You are a working KJ correct? ...It's business ..Plain and Simple.
Assuming you have NO verbal or written commitment to stay at your current gig ethics do not apply.
Leaving a steady gig for an uncertainty 30 miles away for $25 is just Dumb business sense..... Not unethical.
Anytime a KJ gets an offer to work somewhere else you should talk to your current employer about matching the offer ....
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:41 am |
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Bigdog @ Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:56 pm wrote: Let's talk about ethics.
I had a guy approach me last might to play over for a half hour for $30. He's the same guy that gave me $50 to play over 2 weeks ago. Anyway his friend has a bar. The owner really wants me to play at his bar. He tried to offer me more money than I usually charge, to quit a steady gig to do his bar.
I make money from my reputation. Part of my reputation relies on my word. My verble contract/commitment. If I would sell out my current bar to take more money, is not part of my plan. I feel that my reputation for honesty, integrity and dependability will be harmed. I do not want to have people say that I am not a credible person. I would not do it to him, so why should he expect me to do it for him? I would consider it if the first bar was not paying full money like they should be. Or if the crowd situation was getting uncontrollable because the bar owner didn't give a rip. I would never do it on principle for the money. My reputation makes me money. My reputation could cost me money.
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I agree with most here, there is no 'ethical' question. It's a 'business' decision only. You chose to stay where you were. You've already listed reasons why, new offer 30 miles further, very little pay raise, no guarantee that you'd stay - but then there is no guarantee anywhere that you'll stay working. So where is the question?
Business is business. People change jobs all the time to earn more if they feel the switch is going to be beneficial for them or a better long term opportunity, not because you feel you have some loyalty to them.
I wouldn't have made the switch either given your reasons, not because I felt I owed it to the bar. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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twansenne
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:29 am |
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Bigdog @ Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:49 am wrote: Everything that has been and is posted now, is all true, so I really don't see where there is a problem with my ethics. My stories contain the same info, no matter how many times or how long ago I wrote them. I would say I'm pretty consistant, wouldn't you agree? When all you speak is the truth, you don't have to worry about somebody trying to trip you up with words you never lied about. <<<SNIPPED>>>
BUt you were the one claim you ddin't want to give away your location becasue of fa fear that some other KJ my come and check you out and steal your secrets to being the worlds best KJ. SInce you have trained others on being a KJ, yor statment of why you don't want others to kow who you are is redicilous. So it must be that you are not the worlds greats KJ, and you have overblown your claims on how good you are.
But it dosent mater anyway, I have found out who you are and where you are from, and that is all that maters.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:40 am |
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twansenne @ Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:29 am wrote: But it dosent mater anyway, I have found out who you are and where you are from, and that is all that maters. I think he's trying to deny it claiming that BigDog isn't a very good name for a karaoke company...meaning he's trying to say that isn't his company name :no: . bigdog wrote: Bigdog is a stupid name for a karaoke company. Not very professional sounding.
But this is probably the first time i've agreed with him!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:53 pm |
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If that's the best you have, My identity will be safe for 1,000,000 years.
Don't do anything to the owner of that site you can't defend against in court. Because it ain't me.  :wave: LMAO
I'll admit it's a good name to describe me,  but it's not a good business name. At least not one I would ever use.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:20 am |
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The more you FEED this DOG the more She will EAT ..
Ask yourself.......DO YOU REALLY CARE ?
If you STOP feeding stray animals (egos) they eventually go some place else
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:05 pm |
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Jealousy rears it's ugly head.  :yes: :O :hug:
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Kellyoke
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Kinda hard for anybody to be jealous of something that doesn't exist. Now,...where were we?????
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twansenne @ Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:29 pm wrote: Bigdog @ Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:49 am wrote: Everything that has been and is posted now, is all true, so I really don't see where there is a problem with my ethics. My stories contain the same info, no matter how many times or how long ago I wrote them. I would say I'm pretty consistant, wouldn't you agree? When all you speak is the truth, you don't have to worry about somebody trying to trip you up with words you never lied about. <<<SNIPPED>>> BUt you were the one claim you ddin't want to give away your location becasue of fa fear that some other KJ my come and check you out and steal your secrets to being the worlds best KJ. SInce you have trained others on being a KJ, yor statment of why you don't want others to kow who you are is redicilous. So it must be that you are not the worlds greats KJ, and you have overblown your claims on how good you are. But it dosent mater anyway, I have found out who you are and where you are from, and that is all that maters. other than lying (denying) where he's from, everything BD says is pretty much accurate. A little full of himself, but accurate.
bye pghpat
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wow just like nightmare on Elm St its back
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