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Even Hitler gets his turn...

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Even Hitler ran a fair rotation.    Next.    He just hated everyone...  :shock:


IMO if you tell people who they can sing with and penalizing someone for it, you're playing God.



Half the time the person asked to sing a duet, may not really want to sing with so & so, but they do it out of courtesy.   So to penalize a person for being nice, is rude, crude and uncalled for.   They are helping you to keep more people happy.

It also may keep more people coming to your show.    Not everyone has the balls to stand up and sing by themselves.

It may also help the person out that may not really want to do the duet.  I get people all the time telling me after someone turned in a duet that they want to do THEIR song choices first before any duet & IF there is time, they will do it later.  In the meantime, the person that wanted to do the duet is sing either by themself or with another.  It works out.  Not playing God, just keeping order.  Now if I let a duet go & one of those 2 singers back up in the same round is when I hear about it.  Our crowd happens to like that rule & if I mess up, yep, I get the flack because of it.

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 LMAO  LMAO You're a bad boy, Hitler.

Oh the group singers - ten people on stage and  3 mics.  LMAO You can't hear anyone singing because no one is singing into the mics. Not a problem, they get a spot in rotation as a group once. Maybe 2 out of the whole group will actually sing a song by themselves. They will have their one turn in rotation too.

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I wanted to add to that - I will not let every person in the group represent one persons song. That would mean for every one person they could get up there and
do a group song. That is 10 group songs in 1 rotation. I hope I explained that right.
That is one problem you get with using the only one person loses a turn rotation.

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I have a regular group that comes in to one of my gigs.   About 10 people.    Bob, Dale, Mary Jo, Kelly, Lenny and Joe (Who does most of the singing.)      They come up and tell me songs to put in for them.    Most of the time 2-3 of them sing the songs together.   I generally make 4 different piles.   One for Joe, he turns in a lot of songs.      One for Bob, one For Kelly, one for Dale.    Only Joe and Bob sing in every rotation.    Everyone else is hit and miss.    So Sometimes I may have 6-7 slips from different ones in the group, in the rotation.    I feel that I am more than fair with these people.    They have fun and keep coming back.     10 people can spend a good bit of money, when they are having fun.

RIGHT Babs, they are all buying 10 drinks every round, not just 1, with 10 straws.   So everyone of them is an "individual paying customer."   NOW who is going to say that you can sing and you can not?   How are you going to draw the line?    You get penalized and you don't.    VERY STUPID.  IMO      Why should it matter if they are sitting at one table or spread out over the bar.   10 singing/paying customers, is 10 singing/paying customers.    Your sole purpose of being there is to bring in and entertain paying customers.   NOT to pi** them off and penalize them.

If the group turns in slips with all their names on them in different order, then they get 1 pile.  If they write up solo names & the entire group comes up, then they go in one pile after that.  I also have to look out for the other 100 people in the club as well & they will see these people getting up again & again.  1 time per person per round!

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Yikes you just said I was being stupid. Ouch!

Behave yourself or I'll have to put you in the pound.  LMAO

Your opinion - no biggie. I don't have a problem with how I do rotation. If I did I'd change it. I'm not that bull headed. Thanks for your concern about my intelligence.  :D Are you hitting on me?  :drunk:

PS: Do you like your new leash?  LMAO

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Bottom line: Do what works for your crowd and be able to enforce the rules you have set.

Now, wasn't that easy?  LMAO

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Thank you darling - Your check is in the mail  LMAO

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No, I didn't say you were stupid.   I said treating a group of paying customers as one person is stupid.   They all have a separate tab to pay at the end of the night.


Whenever I have more than one person singing at a table, I split them up.   I'll let one sing, then I will have someone on the other side of the bar sing.   I mix everyone up and separate them, so it doesn't look like they are the only ones singing.

So does that mean you're not hitting on me?  LMAO

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Can I bite your ankle?

Majority of the time I find these groups buying 1 maybe 2 pitchers between them, no separate tabs, no individual drinkers.
But Gigi hit the nail on the head.

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I would agree that there are two types of groups.  

Group "A"    One that wants to be wild and get drunk, mostly younger ones.   And then there is the group that I described.    

Group "B"    Older that just want to sing and have fun, as a group.  

Group "A"    I would handle according to how they act.   If they want to scream every song, then they get limited air time.

Group "B"    Gets taken care of as I stated in the earlier post.    But remember they are still a group of individuals.  They are all buying drinks.

I tend to get more of the "B" groups.

If I was in a group of people and we wanted to sing.   If I was told that I couldn't because I was in the group, I would be up the bar owners A** in a big way.   With everyone else in the group.    You would not be talked about in friendly terms.    I would make sure the owner and everyone within ear shot, knew WE would not be back.      Remember who's spending the money.    And Why.

I would by all means allow you to sing, but if you have say 6 in your group, & you only write up the same 6 names of the group regardless of whos name is front, if it is the same group, you get 1 time per round - not 6.

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My opinion as well, had the same probs and earned the name vinegar t its cos I wouldnt let them dominate the lineup

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

You're not being told you "can't sing"... you're being told that you can sing the same as every other person in the place... ONCE per round.

Oh, and the moment you try to go to management about it rather than trying to learn the way it's done in my place, you ain't singing AT ALL!!!

I despise people that go whining and crying to the manager the moment things don't work the way you THINK that they should.

Your rules are not necessarily MY rules. Either be the same as everyone else in the joint, or get the heck out!

We say ... each singer has a pile of slips ... and a turn in the rotation to do with as they choose.  If they wanna share the spotlight ... that is their choice... so yes, occasionally someone will be the 'partner' in a duet and then at some point later, perhaps sing a solo in one round ....... HOWEVER ..... to avoid the whining  ...... we have a NO BACK-TO-BACK rule and a NO SAME PARTNER rule.  WE space out the rotation so that no one EVER sings back to back songs.... and ..... we don't let TINA sing with GEORGE on her slip .... and then GEORGE with TINA on his slip.  

Seems to work pretty well for us, 'cause so far no complaints...... but then again .. we have a terrific following and a very "family" feel to our adience and show..... so we rarely get too many complaints.  Only once did a man (who was passing through town) come to the desk and ask why he hadn't sung when "ZITHER" had sung twice.... solo and partner on a duet.  I explained the "every singer has a song" policy ....... blah blah blah ... and told him he'd be up in two more songs.  He said ..... oh, okay..... I see how ya do it.

People are gonna whine one way or the other ...... The person who doesn't like to sing alone feels penalized that she can't sing with her friend ....... or the person who is 19th in the rotation seeing "ZITHER" on stage twice before they get their "turn".  But bottom line for us is ..... first come, first served..... so if you are 19th .... and ZITHER was 8th ...... and then sang a duet with the 13th singer .... he's been a patron for the night longer than Mr/Ms 19th.

I think as long as you are consistent ...... that is the key.

As MATT says .... YOU make your rules..... and then stick to them.

The RIGHT/FAIR way ..... is what works for YOU and YOUR audiences.

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