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Good video!!!!! Somehow the slides with music reminded me of the childish enthusiasm and energy of John Denver... I cherish those that march to the beat of their own drum. People try to imitate them but dont have the pzazz or personality. They dont have much on tv anymore worth a crap but I loved his show...

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We shouldn't forget that without technology, and mechanical devices man is not a fast or strong animal species. Our reflexes are relatively slow, our body strength given our size is poor compared to many other species, and we are quite slow moving in general..


As to how smart a species we are ?  I've always found that to be questionable however won't get into it.


Whether it's Irwin and a Stingray, the guy in colorado mauled by the chimp, the biker in California stalked pounced and partially eaten by a young mountain lion.  It's important to realize our realistic limitations, and know where we fit in in the animal kingdom.  Also how to interact, and deal with other species..

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I liked Steve Irwin too.  The respect he had for animal life was inspiring.  I didn't always like the insects and a few of the critters he would have on the shows, but I thought he was entertaining and informative.


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I'm sure Animal Planet will have a huge dedication to him soon. It might sound morbid but I'm curious how the heck he screwed up that badly allowing his midsection torso to be that vulerable to the stingrays tail.  That's exactly what they do, they lash with their tail.. Surely he must've known the animals behaviour tendency when he stood directly over it and left himself totally vulnerable to the fishes tail.  I can't believe he'd make that type of blatant mistake,  he must've known something about the animal, unless he had the bends or something and wasn't thinking straight.   I just don't understand how the heck he allowed himself to be that sloppy.  They attack when they are cornered,  he was standing right over the thing  :(

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http://mp3.news.com.au/bcm/irwindead.mp3

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I should have payed close attention to his show on Animal Planet.  I only caught him when he was on the late night talk shows.


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as sharon said, we went to a party and a friend of mine from australia was telling us about steve irwin.

did you know he lived in a four room "shack" on the property of the Australia Zoo?  most of his money he made went right back into keeping the zoo up and running! this is the zoo his parents built, too.  they were apparently on the virge of closing down because of lack of funds and steve decided he wasn't going to let that happen.

i thought the guy took a lot of risks...better him than me, but he also taught me alot.

i'm not a nature freak or anything, but he sure did get one thinking about the whole planet!!

like him or not, he changed the world in his own way!

by the way, great tribute video!!

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I respect anyone who goes out and pursues their dreams...no matter what it is...Like singing.

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I have a lot of respect and admiration for Steve Irwin. I believe what most sums it up for me was his obvious passion and dedication to that which he loved. He lived life the way he expected it to be and marched to his own tune. Sure he took some chances but he wasn't afraid to risk his life in order to enjoy it and experience the things he wanted most out of life. To quote a friend of mine Geoff Mackley of series Dangerman, and Volcano Detectives "If you aren't living on the edge, you're just taking up space".  Now I'm not saying I completely identify with that statement, but I do agree with the concept that life is short, and you have to enjoy it to it's fullest. In the case of Steve, he was driven by nature, and sharing it with others. I also believe a big part of his life was his family, friends, and care for the zoo. Would he have wanted to go this way you ask? Well, I'm sure that he would have loved to see his kids grow up, and share the lives of his family and do more for wildlife, and conservation, and enjoy more adventures, but a guy like this would prefer to die experiencing life to the fullest rather than at a very old age in a hospital ward suffering from some terrible debilitating disease, and I concur. Steve strikes me as the perfect friendly kind of guy to have as a friend, and to get out of the house on an adventure with. Great thing is even though we couldn't all know Steve personally we did get to go on a lot of adventures with him via television.

I toast to Steve who laughed, and had the ability to often make us all laugh and see life, and nature from a new perspective - his perspective. May his passion for life and quest for knowledge be shared and live on!

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Steven Kaplan @ Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:00 am wrote:
You know what's strange about this ?

I'd expect to see this on the front page of a newspaper as an "April fools" goof.  Not a real story.  I don't know why I'm surprised.  I think we really do in part believe these dare-devils can defeat death.


I agree he did seem 'bigger than life'. I think his somewhat 'endearing' personality, -  call it boy like or whatever also invites us in and makes us kind of feel like we know the guy. It's always hard to believe someone you know has gone. Perhaps you feel that way because in a way you feel like you've lost a friend?

As for risk taking, I think he was very knowledgeable and experienced. Some of his stuff was most likely calculated and sometimes probably staged. However as you know life can be hazardous to your health. People can die in any number of unimaginable ways. What happened to him is very unlikely, and he probably took more risks by driving his jeep in the Australian outback.

Obviously we are all mortal here on this Earth. None of us can defeat death, and none of us will get out of here alive. But what is life? Is it not somewhat enigmatic? While people like Steve may not be able to defeat death, they can cheat it at times. This is true of all of us. It is a sad thought to consider our own demise. I just hope when it happens to me I have no regrets, and am ready to move on.

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Steven Kaplan @ Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:44 pm wrote:
I'm sure Animal Planet will have a huge dedication to him soon. It might sound morbid but I'm curious how the heck he screwed up that badly allowing his midsection torso to be that vulerable to the stingrays tail.  That's exactly what they do, they lash with their tail.. Surely he must've known the animals behaviour tendency when he stood directly over it and left himself totally vulnerable to the fishes tail.  I can't believe he'd make that type of blatant mistake,  he must've known something about the animal, unless he had the bends or something and wasn't thinking straight.   I just don't understand how the heck he allowed himself to be that sloppy.  They attack when they are cornered,  he was standing right over the thing  :(


Nah, he was simply out of his element...Sea life is very aggressive and much less forgiving than what he was used to.

He was also behind in the learning curve. He had spent his life observing mammals and reptiles, but marine life is a whole new world with rules of it's own and he maybe didn't pause long enough learn their traits and what to watch for like he had with the ground crawlers.

It's also much harder to avoid sea animals in the water than he was used to on land....You can't out-swim them like you can dance and out-run/avoid them on shore....He owed his life to date on his knowledge and quickness, but stepped out of his experience and physical levels when he decided to approach the ray in the water....A diver with more experience might have seen warning signs and been able to avoid startling the ray, and then avoided the sting.


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Keith02 @ Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:50 pm wrote:

He was also behind in the learning curve.


Irwin was to sealife as you are to male/female relationships  LMAO

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:02 am 
My main problem with the guy was he truly exploited these animals in the name of making a buck.  If I were a crocodile just minding my own business, I truly would appreciate some idiot prying my mouth open and sticking his head in there...there are people quietly doing more for animal protection and rights without resorting to this kind of stuff.


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I'm sure the video will be on the net soon. They caught the whole thing on film,
including him pulling the barb out. I would like to see it - not out of morbid
curiousity, but to see where he went wrong. He must have done something to
make the stingray attack him. It is a very rare thing that a stingray would attack
someone, let alone kill someone. These creatures are not dumb animals. When we went swimming with them the guide explained that they may knock out breathing
tubes from our mouths or try to knock off our masks off. The stingrays have learned that if they do this we'll drop the food that's on our hands. Pretty smart if you ask me.

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michaeljayklein @ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:02 am wrote:
My main problem with the guy was he truly exploited these animals in the name of making a buck.  If I were a crocodile just minding my own business, I truly would appreciate some idiot prying my mouth open and sticking his head in there...there are people quietly doing more for animal protection and rights without resorting to this kind of stuff.
Actually, he did a lot to dispell a lot of myths surrounding alligators and crocodiles... well, all the animals he featured.

I don't think he exploited them at all. and as was pointed out, he didn't make bucks, but instead lived a pretty frugal life pursuing his dream!


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I always thought Irwin was a bit eccentric. It never entered my mind
he exploited animals. I could never live his life style. He got down and dirty
24/7. Living not in a mansion, but a hut.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:34 am 
I'm sure his family will be financially well off...not to worry--they probably can't wait to move out of that igloo.


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MorganLeFey @ Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:20 am wrote:
Keith02 @ Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:50 pm wrote:

He was also behind in the learning curve.


Irwin was to sealife as you are to male/female relationships  LMAO
How do you figured that?....I ain't been stabbed thru the heart by a woman.


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michaeljayklein @ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:34 am wrote:
I'm sure his family will be financially well off...not to worry--they probably can't wait to move out of that igloo.
Who knows their financial situation....Eitherway, she and those kids will never be able to replace him....They were all so vital to each other, it would be the same if he had lost her instead.

One thing is for certain, tho...Folks around the world have been shocked into reality...You can believe many will hesitate now before they attempt to play with dangerous animals....You can believed not so many tourist divers will be willing to fiddle with Rays....Up till now, it was a routine feature for many tourist divers to hitch a ride on a Ray....I just hope Rays don't suffer out of fear and ignorance and folks simply leave them alone.

Here is an interesting story if you missed it:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/142 ... ack08.html


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I know it won't scare me away from stingrays. I think people are
afraid of what they haven't experienced. Any animal can be dangerous if
it feels threatened.

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