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OK, well then given your attitude about this, you still have the same exact options. You can:

#1: Hope she falls flat on her face and gets fired and you get 100% of the pie in a few weeks, months, year?

#2: Do as I suggested and offer to let her work for you. That still seems like the most sound business decision. It is basically like buying out your competition. When any large company wants to eliminate their competition, one of the best ways to do it is to go out and buy them and make them work for you. This is a sound business decision because you start making money off the situation NOW, and not whenever the bar owner decides to end his charity run, which may be a year from now. Plus, as a completely unintentional and non-business-related offshoot, you actually get to put more money in your pocket WHILE helping out a girl with cancer AND doing a big favor to the bar owner who pays your salary in the first place, and it sounds like with this guy in particular, that favor WILL be recipricated in the future when YOU need it.

So, I still think my solution is the best solution for everyone, though I will add to it that maybe when you are discussing this with your bar owner, tell him that you want to reserve the right to fire her if this experiment of her working for you doesn't work out. Maybe say you'll give her a 6 week trial. If she turns out to be a model employee, then again everyone is 100% happy, but if she doesn't take to YOUR system and standards, you simply FIRE HER at the end of it all!!

Either way, it seems that the bottom line is that your bar owner (the one who pays your salary!!) believes in this enough that if you want to better your situation, you need to care on his behalf to some extent as well!!

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dup post....

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KJ, FL

And if you hire help that knows the computer isnt sound savvy or vica versa... Lanny was sick one night and called me at 8:15 Nancys over at the horse and aint getting any audio out... She done it last night and didnt have any problems. I walked in and looked at the eons The lights wernt on.. Cmere Nancy I pointed at the speakers and grinned wat do you see?  Omg the speakers aint on..... She didnt turn them off the night before so when she turned them on she actually turned them off...

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My biggest problem with this scenario, is that I don't cater to working for a bar that isn't interested in making money.  But bottom line is like TopherM said,  the owner pays the bills.  You cater to HIM, or you work elsewhere.

Kelly

The worst thing thing about this is if you are committed to a gig you dont like,and one comes along that is 4 steps up its hard to desert  the small bar and move on...

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I'm not sure.  If I am working at a place I don't like, and a better offer comes along; I don't see the problem.  Now if you have a signed contract, that adds another element. If not, give two weeks and go. Odds are your regulars will follow if you're that good.

I understand the wanting to stay at a certain place.  As I posted awhile back.  I had an offer for more money and better hours to go else where, but I really liked where I was at.  My owner and I worked out a raise that wasn't as high as what I was being offered, but it was more money and I got to stay where I'm at.  

Kelly

There are many factors Chances are Ive known the bar owner for 20 or more years If the gal with one speaker is satisfactory for awhile then bye. Id rather the singers patronize both places and I will tell them that.

But the biggest thing is 5 years I will able to walk into the bar, see the owner and say Hey Frank how the heck ya doing and shake his hand. Im glad I dont live in these places where I dont know anybody including the bar owners and singers. I dont understand some of these responses I really dont.....

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Guess I'm missing some of your points.  I don't mean to come off as heartless.  If I wasn't bringing in business, my owner wouild let me go; and rightfully so.  He has a business.  His job should be too insure that that business is profitable.  If he can buy supplies of the same quality from a different vendor at a lower price he should.

Likewise, though I do karaoke because I enjoy to, I also want it to be profitable.  I was offered $75 more a night to go else where.  I could have just said, "here's my 2 week notice."  But I didn't.  I liked where I was, he was making good money off of me and I was up front with him on what I was being offered.  AND I agreed to stay for a raise less than what the other offer was.  I feel I was more than fair to him.

If he had refused, I would have hated to go, but would have, and still feel like I could walk back in there and sya "Hey, how ya doing."  He and I are friends.  But we are also business men and understand the meaning behind running a business.

Kelly

All I was trying to say Kelly each situation is different and calls for different ways of handling it.. A good relationship with a faithful owner and staff and some satisfied good singers might be worth more than the pay raise Depends on which day of the week it is, how long ya been there etc It makes for a good discussion tho

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Agreed!!!  Like poker.  Every hand is different and each has to be played accordingly.  And that is what I did have, good relation with owner; bartender, and customers.  Now I'm not going to say my owner was real happy at first.  LOL  But he did understand it was business and not personnal.  He's fine with it now.  That's where the compromise came into play.  I didn't ask him for what I was being offered.  Only an increase in what I was getting.  I think you know me well eough by now to know i'll never say, "This is the only way."

Kelly

The bar owner would drop you in a heartbeat, if he thought he could get a better price and still make money.   The bar owners are loyal to the dollar.    Just me.

I went to talk to a bar owner about doing karaoke.  I heard they were looking for someone.    I gave him my price.   Another KJ told him a price that was $5 lower.   He took the other guy.    $5 made the difference.  The point is how much will it take for your bar owner to crack?    Everybody has a price.

If they keep hearing some knucklehead talking about doing it for $75 less, sooner or later he will crack.       $75 a week X 52= $3600     Would you rather have $3600 in your pocket or someone elses?

It may not end up being a good idea for the bar owner, because you draw a bigger crowd.   But bar owners don't have normal brains.    It will be too late when they finally figures it out.    By then you will have lost money and so will they.   You'll have another job somewhere.    

This happened to me.    A bar owner tried to save $25 a week.      The new KJ killed the crowd.   It went from 135 people a night, to 35.    After he killed the crowd he quit.    The 100 people cost the bar owner at least $25-35,000.   Just to save $100 a month.    Guess who works for them now?    She divorced the butt hole and called me back.    I have it back to around 70-80 a night.   I doubt if it will ever come back to 135.   That's on a Tuesday, by the way.  

The one speaker girl, bar owner has a price too.   Now maybe he doesn't know how much she's costing him.   But when he finds out or it really starts to matter, she will be totally gone.