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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:04 pm |
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Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:43 am Posts: 594 Location: Seattle, WA Been Liked: 0 time
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Kellyoke @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:58 pm wrote: We can only go by what you put in print. You don't help others climb the ladder of "success" by stepping on their toes. You help push the person on the ladder in front of you up, then while reaching behind you, pull the person below you up.
Kelly
ONLY by what he prints, nothing ever verifiable.
But in the same sense, IF he's as good as he claims (in print), then why on EARTH would he want to help his competition be as good as him? Since he's claimed repeatidly that he has no competition to speak of, if he helped them, then he may find he'd be out of a job.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:13 pm |
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I never play, it's all work and all money, CASH I might add. Walks up to me 5 nights a week.
To me professionalism is the total presentation. The way you sell yourself to get the job in the first place.
The way you look.
The way your system looks. Is it ratty looking, wires hidden, everything neat.
Your business cards, song books, advertisments, bar posters, book covers, calenders, etc.
Your selection and how often you update.
The way your system sounds.
How you conduct yourself at the job. Whether you drink or not. Nobody likes a drunk KJ. Or a KJ that acts like a jerk.
Your entertainment value.
Do you control the crowd or does it control you.
Your reputation.
Kelly, have you used anything I ever said? Did it help you? Did it hurt you? Did it cause you to lose money? :O
Start climbing, baby.
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Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:22 pm |
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3-T, my competition is like most on here. They think they have it all figured out. They don't work as much as me, but they know it all. The undercutters keep taking their jobs. Can't get paid enough. Can't update their system. Can buy new music.
So how would you judge my success?
I don't make as much as I'm worth, because of the wannabes. Buy I do work more than them. And have worked more for 14 years. My competition can only dream of my level of success.
You keep talking, I'll keep walking...... to the bank.
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:27 pm |
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Bigdog @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:13 pm wrote: I never play, it's all work
Ok, so WHERE you working? C'mon, why are you so afraid to post where you work at? Only reasoning would be you really don't have all of what you claim.
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Kellyoke
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:31 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 627 Location: TN Been Liked: 1 time
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That's the thing Bigdog. I DO use exspensive wirless mics. (I also have corded if needed.) I have an exspensive setup. Laptop; large selection of songs. I DON'T use filler music. Good books, business cards. etc. I am considered to have the top act in a town of over 60,000 and have been doing so for 5 years. One of the highest paid I might add. BUT, my way may not work everywhere else. My way isn't the only way.
I have no problem at all how you do things. We are very similar. In fact probably the only difference is, I, along with MY crowd likes a stage. And I have been doing all these things long before I ever found this forum or heard of you.What I feel is the problem with most folks, including myself on this forum, is HOW you go about sharing your knowledge.
Just because people do things different than me, makes them no better or no worse. The being able to walk on water attitude doesn't set well with most.
Kelly
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Chuck2
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:34 pm |
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timberlea @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:40 pm wrote: Recording a singer is not against the Act as long as no money has been exchangrd for the service and the recording is not used commercially.
That is good to know and helps me a great deal. Thanks Timberlea.
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:46 pm |
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Bigdog @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:22 pm wrote: 3-T, my competition is like most on here. They think they have it all figured out.
Just like you, you think you have it all figured out? Yes I do everything you outlined in your post above, my system was very substantial for most shows & if it wasn't I would either rent or borrow what I didn't have (extra speakers, lights, etc.), did it help keep club work, no, I was charging too much said the owners. Why pay for this when I can get this at a 1/3 of the cost...so now I do private parties & am working pretty steady on the weekends...we now offer full catering as well? Quite frankly it's nice to be out of the clubs.
You have only very recently stated that what works at 1 place may not work in another. You would normally slam anyone in some manner about how your way is the only way. Most people offer suggestions & tips that work for them, you portray it as THE way & cram it down their throat, stepping on them in the process.
Now repeat after me "I am sofa king we Todd did"!
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Babs
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:26 pm |
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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:37 am Posts: 7979 Location: Suburbs Been Liked: 0 time
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It kind of reminds me of my father -
MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY LMAO
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:48 pm |
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I'm not walking on water, I'm surfing. I'm riding the karaoke wave, until it crashes on the shore. SURF'S UP DUDES. If you had a board, you could ride wit me. :hug:
I'm detecting a gang post.
I don't really remember saying I would kill anyone, that didn't do what I do, did I?
Look and listen to the majority. They don't even come close to doing what you do. When did I single you out? Too many fragile egos here. If it don't pertain to you, forget it. According to you, it doesn't. So get off of my tail. I'm trying to wag it.
I don't have it all figured out, just how to do professional karaoke. And get paid for it.
Sing two songs and call me in the morning.
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knightshow
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:52 pm |
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timberlea @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:40 pm wrote: Recording a singer is not against the Act as long as no money has been exchangrd for the service and the recording is not used commercially. Tim, that's NOT what BC told me when I was asking about the recording of singers a few years back. THEN I was told that if you're doing the recording at the gig, you are actually benefiting by the payment of continued commercial drawing into the show... i.e. "Hey, let's go to Timberlea's show, they record singers"
I'm in total agreement that you don't charge for the service. What I'm saying is that Fair Use doesn't cover what you're doing because you're not getting PAID to do it... but you're using your commercial gig to do the recording... and the gig is paying you for ALL your services at the show.
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Kellyoke
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:56 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 627 Location: TN Been Liked: 1 time
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You asked ME a question Bigdog and I acknowledged. Have fun with your game.
kelly
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:01 pm |
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Bigdog @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:48 pm wrote: I don't really remember saying I would kill anyone, that didn't do what I do, did I? No you are correct & nobody claimed you would kill anybody. However you have made several claims that if they didn't do karaoke the way you did or had the equipment like you do, that they weren't professional or aren't up to your standards. No maybe not in those exact words, but in the manner that which they are outlaid. Quote: nd listen to the majority. They don't even come close to doing what you do. When did I single you out? Too many fragile egos here. If it don't pertain to you, forget it. According to you, it doesn't. So get off of my tail. I'm trying to wag it. You start singling out when you make a response to someone & then make the aforementioned claims. Only ego here is the large one that can't back up any of his/her claims posted in this cyber world other than 6 years old schedules that immediately got removed by said poster. Quote: I don't have it all figured out, just how to do professional karaoke. And get paid for it.
Right you have it figured out for YOUR area. And it may be the end all for karaoke in YOUR area. Again, come to a city where karaoke is saturated on every corner & you may be whistling a different tune.
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Isis
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:06 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:11 am Posts: 2641 Location: Seattle, WA Been Liked: 1 time
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The beauty of all this is seeing the different ways that work for different areas of the country or even the world...Where one person may say that they would never use filler music, another will say they always use it. In many industries people share knowledge even when they are competitors.
I think the way a show is run really has a lot to do with the venue, the area of the country or world...As I understand it, for instance in California, all the singers bring their own mics to Karoake... In Texas that just isn't heard of.....What works for one doesn't work for another.
I have been to shows all over the USA and I can say I've been to some top notch shows and to some that were sub par.
In my opinion I think this site is a wonderful melting pot of knowledge that SHOULD be shared for the good of the ART of KARAOKE. Maybe you will be in the same area someday competeing for business or maybe not. Why learn things the hard way, why not share the knowledge with others to make the entire industry better.
Just my opinion...Please don't shoot me....
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Isis
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:13 pm |
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t-town Is there really Karaoke on every corner in Seattle...When I go there I always have such a hard time finding a place to sing...Next time I go, do you mind if I PM you and get some recommendations???
_________________ Will sing or fish for food!!I'm not quite right!!
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:17 pm |
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No prob. There aren't many good ones, but they are out there.
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Kellyoke
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:18 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 627 Location: TN Been Liked: 1 time
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Exactly Isis. This forum needs to be friendlier with newbies whpo come here seeking advice. Being spoken to with Hell Fire & Damnation isn't the way. I want to hear from the "new kids" on the block. Many times those of us who have done things the same way for a time can get stuck in a rut. Even if we are susscesful. We should always be asking our selves is there a better way.
Kelly
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Jian
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:39 pm |
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Put Bigdog in a ring with 4 other fighters;
and no one can push him to the corner,
no one can floor him.....
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Because he is the
referee....
he is the law
LOL LMAO
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TTowntenor
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:53 pm |
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Jian @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:39 pm wrote: Put Bigdog in a ring with 4 other fighters; and no one can push him to the corner, no one can floor him..... . . . . . . . . . . Because he is the referee.... he is the law LOL LMAO
Unfortunatly, he don't think he's the law, but he does seem to act as if his way is the only way to be professional & make money. It may work in his area for him, but nothing makes it the correct way. Alot of what he states is just basic common sense that most use anyway. They don't portray it in such a manner that makes them look like biggers arses than they really are!
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:12 pm |
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Quote: Recording a singer is not against the Act as long as no money has been exchangrd for the service and the recording is not used commercially.
This is why it's crucial the sign reads "Make certainly you accidently drop 15 dollars on the floor in front of me before I start recording you".
(this was a joke by the way, I'm by no means condoning wrongful acts, even 10 dollars will suffice)
_________________ Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".
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Babs
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:19 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:12 pm wrote: Quote: Recording a singer is not against the Act as long as no money has been exchangrd for the service and the recording is not used commercially. This is why it's crucial the sign reads "Make certainly you accidently drop 15 dollars on the floor in front of me before I start recording you". (this was a joke by the way, I'm by no means condoning wrongful acts, even 10 dollars will suffice)
A donation of $10 is appreciated LMAO
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