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We're in a semantics loop here. We understand what each other are saying, I'm jsut telling you that everyone is using the adjective form of the word PROFESSIONAL incorrectly, and mean something other than what they are actually saying. The thing about it is that everyone understands exactly what they are asking even if they are all using the word incorrectly, and my pet peeve is that most people think that is OK, but as a trained writer it erks me.

It would be like if I asked you (in my biggest redneck voice):

Do you have ballet songs in your book?

You may immediately answer this question "Yes, there is a whole section of ballads" because you know I MEANT to say ballad, but that doesn't change the fact that I used a word that means something completely different. The correct answer to the original question is "No, I don't have f'n swan lake in my book."

So, when this guy asks what makes a KJ a professional, the one and only correct answer is "A KJ is a professional if they are paid to KJ as part of their livlihood." That is THE one and only definition of a professional KJ because the adjective form of PROFESSIONAL has a single definition that is not up for interpretation or debate. It means what it means, and yall are using it incorrectly. Actually, more acurately, you are using it the way uneducated people who don't know what it really means have been using it. Again, USAGE over DEFINITION. It goes back to the debate, if enough people use this word incorrectly and assign a different meaning to it, should we just change the meaning to match the incorrect use, since that is what the majority thinks, or should the minority who know better tell the majority that they are wrong?

BUT, in this case we can all tell that this guy meant to ask "What constitutes professionalism in a karoake KJ?" That is a completely different question with a completely different word that is much more abstract and debatable, and is what this guy meant in the first place.

My peeve is that everyone thinks it is OK for people to not care if they use the correct words as long as people can somehow understand what they are trying to say, and I just wish our language was not that retarded.

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C Mc
KJ, FL

Boy do I feel retarted myself - I understand what you're saying now.
I hope bad spelling doesn't bother you too because I'd be in big trouble.

I corrected my post for you  :hug:

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I'm an awful speller myself. Thankfully we also live in the age of spellcheck, so that doesn't hurt my job performance

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C Mc
KJ, FL

Boy do I feel retarted myself - I understand what you're saying now.
I hope bad spelling doesn't bother you too because I'd be in big trouble.

I corrected my post for you  :hug:

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according to definition I have in front of me,  you defined "profession".  "Professional" has an expanded definition. The definition need not pertain to ones vocation.


If you look at "The New International Webster's Pocket Dictionary" New Revised Edition

It reads

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I enjoyed your rant, Topher, but according to my dictionary (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate; not the OED but it'll do for our purposes), not all definitions of "professional" involve getting paid.  Here's the entry:

1professional...adj (15th c.) 1a.: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b. engaged in one of the learned professions c: characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession 2a. participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs...b: having a particular profession as a permanent career...c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return...3. following a line of conduct as though it were a profession.

2professional...n (1811): one that is professional; esp.: one that engages in a pursuit or activitiy professionally.

Your argument suggests that the only correct definitions are 2a, 2b, and particularly 2c.  Most people here want to use definition 1c or possibly 1a.  I don't see the problem as long as it's clear which definition they're using, and in this thread at least, it has been.

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*Oops, hang on, I gotta read the question again*

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You know, nevermind.

Not edited, just changed my mind after I typed it all. (and before I clicked submit)

I voted the last answer.


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A person can act professional without being paid to do so.  Let me try to put this in a different perspective.

I've been in the fire service for a long time.  20 plus years.  I was chief with a combination department years ago.  Meaning a volunteer service combined with a paid service.  I am now chief with a full paid department and no volunteers.  It has always irked the H@!! out of me when I hear someone in the fire service say they are better because they are a professional firefighter as apposed to someone of the volunteer ranking.

Yes, pro athletes are often referred to be professionals because they receive pay.  However if you were to say T.O. with Dallas is a professional I would have to very much disagree.  Actors, athletes, and firefighters  can be paid to do so.  But being paid has nothing to do with whether they act  in a "professional" way.

I know many professional people from all walks of life.  And many of them never receive a dollar.  Professional may have used to mean getting paid to do so.  However regardless what the dicticnary says, many individuals have caused just reason for that definition to be changed.

Kelly

As a person who has written a few philosophical articles.  I ALWAYS consult a dictionary prior to expostulation.  First thing I did before commenting here, was look up the dictionary definition of the term "Professional".  It would've been ludicrous for me to offer my interpretation assuming my interpretation deviated from the terms actual accepted definition.

(now if we are going to debate on the accuracy of my dictionary, I just don't have the time)    but I'll agree, some of these pocket dictionarys for lack of a better adjective "suck".  In this case professional in what context ?

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The term "gay" in the dictionary never intended to be what it has now also been referred to.  I don't think anyone intends to butcher the english language.  But language is like a science.  It changes with the ages.

Kelly

Find a real old dictionary and look up uranium...A worthless white mineral not commonly found in the United States  LOL



A stanza from streets of laredo


"It was once in the saddle, I used to go dashing.
"Once in the saddle, I used to go gay.
"First to the card-house and then down to Rose's.
"But I'm shot in the breast and I'm dying today."


God they was singing about broke back mountain way back then...

And the Lord THY God said "Let there be green grass" Behold there was green buffalo grass as far as the eyes could see... Then he said "Let there be blue grass"  

And this chap strolled out of the woods with a banjo and said "The rest ofem will be here in a minute"

Reminds me of the quiz "What state of the union " is mentioned in the Bible?  Arkansas.
Noah stepped from the "ark and saw,.."

Kelly

Did Noah have a pair of these on the Ark  ?

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I don't think the poll is very fair in itself, I feel you need most of those aspects to be professional.  I don't think having the latest & greatest equipment is necessary - as long as it sounds good & is in working order & is properly matched.  I also don't feel that needing the newest music as soon as it comes out is that big of a deal either - this may be a selling point for younger crowds, but even our younger crowds sing mostly 90's & older, may be different elsewhere.  New country is almost a necessity.

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They were all sitting at the table after a couple of weeks and Noahs wife said "see what happens when we leave and dont put the cat out and theres a leaky faucet?"  His son said " I still think it was those holes we were diggin in the back yard..

That was a crazy thread start and a poorly constructed poll.....I was hoping it would fall through the cracks....