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I have carried this over to the discussion forum becos it appears that Kappy is not allowed to post there, so Kappy dahlin or anyone else wishes to chime in with your suggestions or experiences feel free. I must say that I am grateful for the advice I have so far and I have learned a lot.

Oops best explain the question...My sound in my new puter is horrible. I was just going to run out and buy a soundblaster card and then decided to ask opinions first. Lucky I did as Keith has explained that for recording SB is (@$%&#!). This has been backed up on numerous sites elsewhere.
So while I accept this I am asking if anyone else has had positive experiences with any other cards as the one Keith recommends is not readily available in NZ
Thanks in advance

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Steve can post whereever he likes... he was never "'86'd" from anything.

Like what I complained about earlier about the "gee how are you today" "oh I'm doing just peachy!" type of conversations and off the wall comments really wasn't what we were looking for in the more serious forum of "Tech"...

And also, the name "VOMIT" REALLY is probably keeping people from even looking at it! I really want to THANK you for making that a thread name!

Did you look into the USB mp3+ device I was talking about?

Morgan,

Your set up need not be very complicated. all you need is, a good mic,  a pre amp and a pro level sound card. You need only one channel for in and one for out. You can yous your current mixer for the pre amp, and  an M audio card.

NZ rep for M Audio is  

Electric Factory (New Zealand) Ltd
Nick Sadler/Luke Casey
evolution@elfa.co.nz
http://www.elfa.co.nz
Unit C, 174 Marua Road
Ellerslie, Auckland, New Zealand
+64 9 571 2580
+64 9 571 2581

hope that help.

cheers

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Yep, but I would prefer she played her background music from CD jacked into mixer instead of off computer hard drive...she is recording her voice into the mix....Right now she is playing music stored on cumputer, recording her voice into it and storing it  back in the computer all at once....not good.....Best to have clean path from mixer into computer with all inputs originating at mixer....She is asking too much of her motherboard chips set and IEDE bus to be using them both directions...her hard drive cannot read and write at same time....it should be writing only as it records.

It would be ok if she made sure her OS and all apps are on one drive including plugins, then use separate drive for recording, but best method is play music off CD patched into mixer and monitor mix using soundcard software.

P.S. Steven/Kappy is always welcome to invade my posts no matter which forum i'm in

I suffer less stress if I just allow it

For karaoke vox recording, the backing track is already digital; i don't see any advantage analogizing it and then digitizing it back. Most new pc will be able to do a playback and recording at the same time.



Edit: Infact if she does not already have a mixer, all she need is a one input one output pre amp.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

?????  sweet  Rename extension to mp3...

No I didnt because its Soundblaster. Till I started reading online yesterday I was sold on soundblaster also (I have a usb external SB live which I am using till I settle on a new soundcard) But there is considerable documented reason why one shouldnt use SB if recording.

To summerise why...

1. Resampling
2. Lack of ASIO drivers and low latency support for real time processing (this is changing)
3. Bad sound quality (very harsh sounding and terrible top end)
4. High noise floors


While I appreciate your suggestion, if I were to stay with SB then I have the external card sitting here but sadly it has been a disappointment since I bought it

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

the same people that complain about soundblaster cards, also say that the external mp3+ device is a great investment for the minumal cost. Are there better? Sure... but this works, and works well.

I've been using it in computerized shows for three years now. I THINK I may know what I'm talking about.

I wouldn't use a SB card in any pc... this is different!

But that's okay. There are those that shout it down cause it's only a 16bit device, rather than 32.

Whatever floats your boat.

Matt.

The sound cards made by Creative are among the best there is but they are made for playback and games. There are many people out there who think that SBL sound better than some of the more expensive pro sound card. But for recording they are not a good choice.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

guys what I want is for recording purposes not playback. My gig rig is set up this is my home computer that is used for recording

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

What you need then:

!.  mic...... a condensor
2. pre amp with phantom power
3. sound card/ audio interface.
4. Recording program.

1. mic ..... a Rode

http://www.rodemic.com/?pagename=Microphones

http://www.rodemic.com/?pagename=Dealers

2. preamp.  you will need it if you are not using the mixer for the preamp and phantom power (if you go condenser)

3. as in my above post

4.. You have AA .

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

  Sorry,  I didn't mean anything rude by saying I was 86'd from the tech forum.  Out've respect to those with technical knowledge, and interest in the more technical areas, and the fact that a few really have made an effort to make the technical forum into an area where KJ's and those interested in technical areas can talk without being interrupted by the tendency a few of us have to drift off-topic and get goofy,  I've removed myself from posting in the tech forum UNLESS what I have to ask or offer is technical, in which case I adhere to wishes and rules of the tech advisory staff. I will not risk straying from technical content.

I removed myself from the tech forum out've respect.  The "86" was self-imposed. I assumed this was known, but that's not a correct assumption.  I'm a self-admitted technical moron,  My self-deprecating humor really get's heavy when it comes to technical areas, and they don't need that.. Fact is I'm not a KJ,  have no KJ knowledge, and don't belong in a KJ related technical forum.

As an example,  This is a topic I have absolutely no knowledge of.  So unless I was in here to invade one of Keiths posts.  I'd really have no purpose saying anything  LOL

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Steven.....I think she needs your emotional support ...I expect her to start posting her tech questions here so you will be there for her. Personally, i think it will be good for you to meet a gal who has some tech savy.

You may not be a KJ, but seeing as you have a house full of instruments, I bet you know a little about recording.....am i correct?

But Keith,  I have you !  :hug:


Yesterday evening, and all last night I spent caulking.  I haven't used this Polyseal crap yet, but after two tubes of that stuff I've had a wicked headache.  That stuff is about as noxious as Binz and Killz... I had to reposition the bathroom sink in the counter, remove the old crud, clean the area, and reseat the sink and caulk the area, do the bathtub etc, cut out some rotted area of sheetrock behind the tile, patch areas, etc... Never a good thing to do when you are trying to get over a bug..  I didn't realize until late last night how strong the fumes of that stuff are.  I still love doing stuff around the house, but it seems to get tougher than the days I could just knock down a wall, and erect jackstuds, headers, sheetrock, put a doorway in, and it was done... Without feeling after affects,  Caulk never made me sick before, but last night, blech...  OK,  I'm done moaning...

Oh yeah,  I was getting at something here...


I'm off to bed,  goodnight !

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Such sealants are banned from submarines as an 'atmosphere contaminant'...As I was the guy who manufactured and maintained the submarine atmosphere for 20 years, then you can believe I understand why you are suffering from the fumes.

Hey, I hope you wore surgical gloves while you handled that stuff...You won't be plucking them gits of yours much if you didn't. You might have to forego the A/C for the next few days and sleep with your windows open....

Keith/Jian ~ In general, which route is better for comp recording -- PCI or USB 2.0?

For single stereo track, it does not matter much. PCI; if you are more into it.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Keith,  I didn't wear gloves.  I was using this as though it was a standard silicone caulk.  Like a fool most of my experience with caulk was just silicone type caulk.  I was foolish not to read the chemicals this stuff had.  I've worked alot with sealants, Laquers, minwax products, Krylon and Rustoleum sprays,  Binz and killz. but never suspected this stuff to be of similar property in terms of toxicity.

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Man, I don't know...I know PCI bus is limited to 33Mhz, not sure about the speed and routing of USB...not even sure if 33 is considered a bottleneck when recording or not...I do know it is possible to overload PCI bus, but not sure when you should be concerned with it.

I'm of the mindset that there are limits to consider, and that it is a good idea to understand the paths and limits involved with whichever mode you chose...In my mind, I can see how asking one harddrive and it's associated bus to do everything might cause problems with dropouts and latentcy where the machine has to wait while stuff gets directed and processed by the CPU chip set thru the PCI bus.

Some of the newer CPS's don't require the until now typical northbridge/southbridge chip sets and do the work they performed in the CPU...That's why I asked her to link to her computer so I could read up on it...I'd like to study the motherboard she has....I assume it is a socket 939, but I don't know which chip set it has and how it talks to the PCI and USB buses.