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marley rules @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:24 pm wrote: The 400 series I believe are unbalanced. The 800 series have balanced XLR inputs/ outputs. Most will tell you that unless your entire signal chain is balanced, it really does not make a difference. I have owned both BBE units and I do prefer the balanced. I use it at the end of the chain and run the output of the BBE directly to the powered speakers. Previously when I was using the 482 which was unbalanced, I used the insets on the board. Now I am using the XLR out directly to the speakers and I am quite satisfied.
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Is there really big difference between the balanced and unbalanced? I have one of the 400 series BBE and they do have unblanced. What I did was buy one of those XLR to 1/4" converter and use that along with balanced cables for the BBE. Will that make any difference or should I go get the 800 series? _________________
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eben @ Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:40 pm wrote: marley rules @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:24 pm wrote: The 400 series I believe are unbalanced. The 800 series have balanced XLR inputs/ outputs. Most will tell you that unless your entire signal chain is balanced, it really does not make a difference. I have owned both BBE units and I do prefer the balanced. I use it at the end of the chain and run the output of the BBE directly to the powered speakers. Previously when I was using the 482 which was unbalanced, I used the insets on the board. Now I am using the XLR out directly to the speakers and I am quite satisfied.
Cheers Is there really big difference between the balanced and unbalanced? I have one of the 400 series BBE and they do have unblanced. What I did was buy one of those XLR to 1/4" converter and use that along with balanced cables for the BBE. Will that make any difference or should I go get the 800 series? If you have main inserts on your mixer, then just use that. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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sometimes you can pick up some great deals on shure mics on ebay.
I'm finding the pgx24 sm58's on there from $270 to $350 brand new.
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eben @ Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:40 pm wrote: marley rules @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:24 pm wrote: The 400 series I believe are unbalanced. The 800 series have balanced XLR inputs/ outputs. Most will tell you that unless your entire signal chain is balanced, it really does not make a difference. I have owned both BBE units and I do prefer the balanced. I use it at the end of the chain and run the output of the BBE directly to the powered speakers. Previously when I was using the 482 which was unbalanced, I used the insets on the board. Now I am using the XLR out directly to the speakers and I am quite satisfied.
Cheers Is there really big difference between the balanced and unbalanced? I have one of the 400 series BBE and they do have unblanced. What I did was buy one of those XLR to 1/4" converter and use that along with balanced cables for the BBE. Will that make any difference or should I go get the 800 series? If your components support fully balanced jacks, then use them with TRS/XLR cables....you will gain up to +6dB...That greatly changes your system noise floor and increases dynamic range and headroom....It's still a good idea to use TRS/XLR cables even in unbalanced patches cause of the increased shielding they offer...so you did good to use XLR cable up to 1/4" TS jack adapter.
Go here to learn more about proper patching:
http://www.rane.com/note110.html
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:28 am |
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Thanks for the tips Lonman and Keith. I think I have it set up where I am getting most of the equipment I have right now.
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Thing s that are never used that I have bought.
1 Fog Machine, You can not use them anywhere they will set off fire alarms.
2 DBX Compressor I have no reason to use a compressor I can easily adjust my microne levels as needed.
3 DBX Crossover My Powered Subs have built in crossovers I really have no need for one in my rack..
4 CD+G Player I never use this I have been computer since 1998 it has been removed from my rack.
5 A set of Yamaha 12" speakers. I bought these for small setups, man they sound like crap, I even added a dual 31 band and they still sound like crap, I can eq them to sound good.
6 American DJ Aggressors these are a cool light and I use them now and then but at 600watts each they consume way too much power to be used in a large light setup.
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lyquiddye @ Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:17 am wrote: 2 DBX Compressor I have no reason to use a compressor I can easily adjust my microne levels as needed.
Hmmmm. Yeah if you have time to babysit the board for every singer, I can see not needing a compressor. I'd rather not have to be behind the board every minute. Plus it helps add dynamics to the vocals that you can't do with just a hand on the fader. Quote: 5 A set of Yamaha 12" speakers. I bought these for small setups, man they sound like crap, I even added a dual 31 band and they still sound like crap, I can eq them to sound good.
I can see that. 12" are designed for midrange anyway. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Quote: 1 Fog Machine, You can not use them anywhere they will set off fire alarms.
We use it once, and never again: the singers complained they cannot read the lyric with too much smoke on the stage. 
Lucky it was a borrowed unit.
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Good compressor and a little care with set up are one of the things I consider a must when mic'ing live singers....As The Lonman pointed out, you can't ride the faders contantly nor should you need to.
You might want to go back and re-examine the compressor possibility....Many folks toss them before they figure out proper gain into and thru device....and then there is the need to determine proper threshhold and chop slope....If it is of decent quality and dialed in correctly, you will hug it..If not, you will drop kick it.
If you have passive top cabs, then save the crossover for the times you might want to bi-amp the tops.
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