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It would take a credible state or national asociation to give exams on all aspects of KJ and DJ requirements and knowledge. Perhaps it could initiate with the national association of DJ'S.

It could be used as an advantage when looking for work. It could also be used to give a good indication of legal music databases. Would it in itself eliminate some of the feeders? Would it raise the standards of KJ'S? Has it been tried by DJ's?

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I'm sorry I don't like the idea. I don't like to be forced to be regulated
when I haven't needed that kind of thing.I don't want some organization telling what I should or shouldn't do.
Not to mention the money I would have to pay for it. You can't regulate personality and I think a big part of being a good host is personality.

I think other questions should be asked like, what do you regulate? What would the test cover? Would equipment be regulated? Who would enforce this? How would you enforce it? Would there be fines and mandated dues to cover the expense of paying people to police us?

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No its not meant to be federal regulation If somebody proposed that I would fight tooth and nail.. Its not a license its similar to being windows certified. It denotes qualifications and experience that normally demands more pay for services provided. I guess it would depend on those hiring Do they want quality or low prices?

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If I read into your question correctly, it's kind of been discussed before.  Problem arose right off the bat when the discussion of what the standards would be, what should be charged.  Everyone believes their way is correct, rotations, their sound , their minimum music selection, etc.....not many claimed that they would be willing to conform to a certain standard or what not.

I've always thought that something like that (a union so to speak) could be initiated where certain minimum requirements would need to be achieved in order to join.  Then a monthly, bi annual (something) kind of dues could be initiated for something to be announced later - possibly kj of the year awards or ??.  Bulk disc buying would lower the cost of discs if everyone was to order through the union.  But again, no one wanted to be into something like that.....

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Even with the Union idea, I doubt the bar owners would care & they wouldn't pay any more for a 'qualified' company.

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two words REGULATION SUCKS!

there's absolutely no reason to regulate a profession where the public's health or well being is not at stake period, end of discussion.

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One, I think unions of any kind may have been needed in the past.  I don't see that now.  The largest Goodyear Tire Radial plant is in my community.  My brother has worked there for 20 years.  He and I always argue (discuss) unions.  I have told him for years that they have asked for too much for too long and now they can't compete in the world market.  They have out priced themselves.

I have never had good luck with Goodyear tires and having been in the fire service for 20 some years I can promise you that if you will check with most fire and EMS services that goodyear's are the worst tire for that application.  I being the chief of our local department, am "politically" bound to put their tires on our apparatus.

I state all this in saying that a union, or regulations, do not always guarantee a good product.  Why should a sorry kj be guaranteed a certain rate of pay?

SO,..no, I wouldn't be interested in any regulations.  And I for sure wouldn't want to be added in with DJ.  Sorry but for the most part, most of the DJ forums I've read show to me that a DJ is a completely different animal than a KJ.  You think people on this forum attack one another!  GHEEZ!

And as Lonman said, we all have different view points on how to run a show.  I have to admit, from what I have read, Lonman runs his show more like mine than any I have found.  I for sure wouldn't want to change my system, because some group decided it wasn't proper.  I don't need a union steward "spokesman" to talk to my "boss".  I like dealing with management myself.

Free interprise, without "regulations" IMO will always allow the guy or gal with a good product to rise to the the top.

Kelly

While I can understand these responses certification has nothing to do with regulation.

I once had to get a tech certification in consumer electronics repair. This was required to attend RCA Zenith etc seminars and factory schools. There was a period when without it tv shops wouldnt even interview  you.

Now a federal license is different To go into broadcast I had To get a FCC first class radio telephone & telegraph license. This is regulation and repairs, logs and parameters are monitored by the FCC..

But Lon is right the average bar owner wouldnt give a damn.. However the tests required for certification are good guidelines to learn or review subjects that seperate the wannabes from the pros...

karyoker, I understand what your getting at, but I truly don't see how helping the "bad KJ" down the street become better "qualified" is going to help me.  Most of us here on this forum are separated by fairly large distances.  We share ideas; by doing so we do gain  valuable insights and find new ways to make a better product for our area.

But in reality, if we were all in the same community; would we be willing to help each other out, knowing that we were in effect helping the competition?  I get the higher rate of pay in my area now because I have proven the difference in quality.  I want to maintain that edge.  I don't think Wal-Mart or Lowes or Target really care about helping the other do a better job of selling.  just my 2 cents.

Kelly

there is something common among the following people:

doctors
Dentist
Pharmacist
Lawyers
Accountant
Teachers
electrician
plumbers




all have some form of certification.

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With the exception of the lawyers and accountants, I agree there needs to be regulations and standards.  Those deal with peoples lives and or safety in the home.

All the accountant is going to do is tell you how much you owe the lawyer.



Kelly

 I guess im tired having a hard time explaining... Certification in itself tends to eliminate the bad ones down the street It is a means to stay ahead of them with education refresher courses and other methods.. However  I guess its hard to apply here unless it is adapted to our situation which I was trying to get some ideas on how to do this.. I dont need one now and I am not actively recommending this as a viable course of action. Just bandied it for discussion..

How about mandatory certifications for bar owners and we wouldn't have to worry about decent rate of pay because they would then know the difference between a good kj and a bad one?



Kelly

Thats the best idea yet....They dont have bar owners anymore.

We just lost a good one
Severance is between Greeley and Fort Collins...

Yes yes yes! Please!

Can I have that on a t-shirt

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The fact that I got into the Karaoke biz to begin with, should be proof enough that I'm certifiable.......ooops, my bad, you weren't talking about that type of certification.
As to your topic, honestly it sounds good in theory, but I do have reservations about it's practical application. I'm more along the lines of having a mentor type situation, kinda like the forums have been for me. I ask the questions, I get feedback, I take the best of what I've learned, apply it to my particular situation. It must be working, because I'm working steady. Part of it has to do with what I'm willing to do to succeed, but a large part of it has been paying attention to the feedback I get from you guys here.
I believe this site goes along ways to help develop good KJ's. As for the bad KJ's, they haven't played by the rules so far, so do you really think they would go for this?
But in what you're saying perhaps a better application would be to get a group of you guys together and come up with the basic do's and don'ts of what makes a good show and a good KJ. Then instead of having to answer the same questions ten million times each time a newbie shows up, we have a study guide set up for them to learn from.
I mean we can do basically what you're talking about here on a smaller scale, and probably get better results. Then that way, the union or solidarity begins here. It would be nothing legal, but it would be a good source for proper protocol and the business aspect for the person looking to get into the biz, or the singer who's just looking for a good show to go to. We all share all of the things we see that are done wrong by the 'cutthroats' and 'amateurs' and amateur not necessarily being derogatory, but the person lacking proper training and experience. I don't know, perhaps I'm missing some of your points, because it's late(again) and I'm tired. But I do admire your passion for the subject, so please continue.

James
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There was a time when tv repair was at its peak and people were even repairing out of their garages. They lied to customers, cheated, and when they exhausted one area they would move on.. Tv repairmen were distrusted  and hated more than attorneys and dishonest politicians. Yea its best just to go buy a new tv its not worth it to get them repaired.

RCA and all the other manus improved their customer service and warranty programs by holding seminars on the new products. If a tech knew all the latest tecniques when setting up a product in the home then everybody prospered. The reputable shops were out to get all the manu warrantys they could because they were lucrative.

The techs from different shops started partying together after the seminars (some might be for 2-3 days) and of course the talk always turned to what works best. It would be common if a tech didnt have a part that he needed he would stop in a (competitors) shop Hey can I borrow an umpty dump? Sure At first the owners and receptionists were asking what is this %^&? Then the owners started going to the seminars got to be friends and an association of the "real" shops was formed.. It evolved to where the techs were being certified.  Shop and service call prices were standardized and were not determined by dog eat dog competition.

Do you know where all the fly by nighters went? On to another industry that was not being promoted and was still in the dog eat dog mode. Now could you imagine JVC or Sound Choice spending their time on seminars and promoting a fledgling industry instead of investing in attorneys?

Help the guy down the street? If you read my post in state of karaoke in your area I know what doesnt work... If the guy down the street is convincing bar owners that it doesnt pay and driving more and more singers to home setups That dont work. Help him?  It might help the industry Ignoring him, bad mouthing and thinking he is going to wither up and go away doesnt work.. However the methods above do.

Just some food for thought

Why would you want another license to have to bother with and test to take padding some organizations pocket ?   Don't we have to support enough bs ?  Why regulate EVERYTHING ?  How would certification assure a better KJ ?  It wouldn't.  Any hack can pass a test.  Look at how many drive cars ?  They all passed tests, but how many should be on the road ?  and how do you enforce (especially during a time like now when bars are in a pinch) that an employer only hires the certified person ?  If I were a bar owner, why would I want to pay more if some other non-certified person seemed more qualified to me, and worked for less money ?



I disagree.  It'll just be another thing to put an end to the Karaoke fad. Another obstacle for the performer and bar owners alike.  I'd call myself a DJ, and offer Karaoke.  There are ways around taking the test.

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Ok maybe a better idea would everybody go stand on the roof and go Help Help Help......  :wave:

It is sad when this society associates any proposal with solving a problem with regulation and massive amounts of spending.. Wonder where in the hell that comes from?