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MorganLeFey @ Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:00 pm wrote:
AllStar @ Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:25 am wrote:
Just a question on the vocal harmonizer. Do you have to preset the key in order to have a on-key harmony? Say the song you want to sing is in Eb, how does the harmonizer recognize it? Does it always just add 3 semi-tones for a 3rd harmony or 5 semi-tones for a 5th? What about if the song is in a minor key? Major harmonies and minor harmonies are not the same.


I cant speak for anything other than what I have Allstar, but the presets in my mixer just rely on the singer singing in whatever key they see fit, which of course leaves a huge margin for error. I did try a song or two with a friends unit (unsure of the brand) but it gave a far more realistic sound than mine. But with the more realistic sound came an even greater need to be on the note
Thanks for that info. I did some more research and here's some additional information:



Using a Harmonizer


The good thing about many of today's Harmonizers are, yep, presets.  Even if you know little about music you can just connect your mic and spin the dial till you find something really cool.  Ideally, though, you need to know the key (root note and scale) your music is in, like the key of C#major, A minor, or Beethoven's favorite, E flat minor...but I digress.  Once you set the key, the harmonizer will then figure out what note you are singing, or playing and create harmonies that are consonant with the key.  So If I punch in the key of A minor and sing an "A", it it could produce harmonies at C and E.  

Using Pitch Correction

Not all Harmonizers have pitch correction.  Because I am not a vocalist myself, it's a must have feature for me.  The harmonizer can't work effectively if it cannot tell what pitch you are attempting to sing, so if your voice is like mine and starts at Gb and rises to A# when I try to sing an "A"you could be heading for trouble in your harmonies.  So consider that.

One advantage of having pitch correction is that once you hear your voice hit the right pitches as you monitor its easier to let go and really express yourself.  As you learn what the correct note actually sounds like your vocal abilities may actually improve.  I think i am seeing some improvement just after a few days.



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I use the TCHELICON Voiceworks. I am not sure the price today, But I paid $600 when I bought mine, and it works great. It also has a number of effects included like voice doubling, echo, and reverb.

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Interesting read ALLSTAR.
May help develop a better singer out of anyone who uses one.
Kind of like the pop up gutter bumpers  at the bowling alley keeping you within the lane.

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I bit the bullet and purchased a few of TC Electronics products despite their high prices in the early 80's.  Although my purposes were as stomps for guitar, I thought the products were "so-so".  I should check out reviews of the TC Helicon product, not sure about even the prices now since their merger (I assume it was a merger, I don't know).

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I need to read about programming these as well.  For obvious reasons, certain harmonies can't be "randomly" generated. At times you want the dissonance and resolution as a quality in harmony.  Also, I want more than two or three harmonies. I'd like something that can handle at least 3 harmonies.  For an example,  take a song such as Heart.  "Dog and butterfly", now while a male wouldn't be doing such a song, one of the nicest things about the Wilson sisters singing was their sophistication in :round: and :dissonance: in their harmony overlay

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Steven Kaplan @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:46 pm wrote:
Morgan,  Michael (Mr October) just forwarded me the link to SS and I listened to the harmonizer.  It's pretty random as you mentioned, but it's fun.  So you can set it for a male harmony ?  Female harmony ?  but how many harmonies ?  What if you want to to something like Carly Simon's "It seems like you've never been gone" ?


there are 9 presets on my mixer for harmonies some to my untrained ear sound pretty much the same.

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Steven Kaplan @ Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:37 am wrote:
LOL Morgan,  sometimes you say the sweatest things  LOL


errrrrrrr what did I say that was sweet? I hate sweet

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Yeah,   Well.  I couldn't think of anything else to say  LOL

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Steven Kaplan @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:37 pm wrote:
LOL Morgan,  sometimes you say the sweatest things  LOL
I think he meant "sweatiest things", does this help?


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Chuck2 @ Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:22 pm wrote:
Steven Kaplan @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:37 pm wrote:
LOL Morgan,  sometimes you say the sweatest things  LOL
I think he meant "sweatiest things", does this help?


not really am I missing something?

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Morgan et al

   This is a Singer's topic.


   Is it very costly to buy a vocal harmonizer that is capable of sequencing, IE...Doing a round format of music, and also enable the vocalist to program about 4-5 harmonies.   Let's assume I want to play around and be a full glee club without tracking myself in 12 different voicings ?   Can A harmonizer that's affordable be purchased that has more polyphony than 4 voicings ?  I'll bet my Korg workstation with a midi in can handle this as well.  I have ethereal vocal parts, etc. choir.

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