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Yes... but, i think your "typical" mac or linux user UNDERSTANDs  a lot more about their computer, than your average pc windows os user....... I am not being rude.. simply stating a fact... therfore, it is easier to keep things "secure". Plus of course, most people USE pcs.... thus saving us mac etc geeks from having to deal with ridiculous virus threats, because they are not directed towards us.... However, you still aren't entirely correct about the "more or less secure" issue,  involving macs... perhaps you should do a bit more research on the matter, and then come back to me? Thanks:) Nice to see you, toodle loo.

I suppose that may be a fair comment. I've never really considered the "type" of people using macs or linux based systems.

Although for linux they are certainly the more technical/aware types. And given that the biggest security risk in any system is the human this is probably valid. But this again this highlights the fact that it isn't always the platform at fault.

I'm not saying that Macs/linux arn't more secure platforms but it's difficult to measure because the threat levels are so massively different.

Linux and unix servers can be compared to Microsoft server systems can more fairly but as desktop platforms I would say it is not as direct although there are some technological aspects you could compare.

The human element is certainly the main one these days. It's fairly easy to secure and lock down most small to medium business infrastructures to a point where they could be consdered technically inpenetrable (regardless of platform) but add a human into the mix and you introduce risk which is platform independant.

It would be interesting to enter a parallel universe where betamax and macs were the majority :p

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Dan Bayley

Technically speaking.. macs (and linux) ARE more secure, RIGHT out of the box.  I can site different reasons, and point you to numerous articles that support my claim, if you wish:)

It is NOT just because the majority of "hackers" are pinpointing pcs, because MORE of the population use them. Osx, being a unix based os is simply more secure, and EASIER to secure. Windows executes software, in  a way where there is no equivilant on a mac.... they aren't as many places for "spyware" and other crap to "hide".... If some freeware company installed crapware on their software, which in turn installed itself in your mac,  there would be warnings and reports ALL over, immediatly, warning people about it. mac users are a close knit community, and have zero tolerance to vulnerability. Basically, we have a neighborhood watch:) We are a good "community", and we don't have "bars on our windows":) We ALSO DO NOT have anti virus software, why not? There is NO need.

It isn't about security... it is about what mac users don't tolerate.... sure, we won't ever have a monopoly of the market share, but that just means, again, we will be more secure than windows. The ONLY way to prove YOUR point, is to HAVE us have control of the market share..., then, we can prove the security issue, eh?

You have NO idea how many times I have had to help my father, clear dozens of crap viruses, etc off of his computer (he has a pc)... whereas, mine? , yeah.exactly.  The ONLY time my father has NOTHING on his, is when he has just reinstalled EVERYTHING and started over. That is just sad.... and he regrets his decision to buy a dell, and not go with apple.

So, mac bash all ya want.... but, i welcome you to our side, if ever you do the "switch"... do dooo  doo doo....


Not, just you  "daninmanchester"... but, a more general "you".


Ok, buh bye:) no more mac talk. I promise, i will just make myself look stupid.

Maybe eben can come in, and help me out of my mac hole.... i KNOW he knows a lot more than ME.... i am just a baby:)

Granted that the appplication execution space  issue is only just being addressed in windows Vista but if people ran using least privilages they wouldn't have so many problems and whilst again this is only just being addressed in vista it isn't directly a fault of the OS itself (although I take your point about out of the box security). I think also vista is addressing application memory space and leaks but I couldn't swear to this.

Mac does have some significant advantage over the PC in that there can be far more cooperation between hardware and software which I would guess Microsoft and linux can't do so easily. Even still I'm sure if the threat level was as high for Macs they would be more aware of security issues than they are now.

Unfortunetly I could never switch to the mac for professional reasons, it's far too impractical. Not to say I wouldn't have one to experiment with but it's a bit of an expensive toy and given that there arn't enough hours in the day I may  never get one.

I did quite fancy the Mac servers but again impractical for my purposes.

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"toy"?


How the heck are they "impratical"? and, like I have said before... they are more expensive for a reason.

Apple makes macs, and apple alone. A windows based machine can be made by any one, and distributed by anyone.... which keeps costs low, when you want to buy  a pc. I do NOT think you are just buying a name when you purchase from apple. The lowest line macs are high quality, and are not cheaped out. I don't HAVE a lot of money, but, when i buy a computer, it is always a mac. It just makes sense.... I also wouldn't swtich to pc, for professional reasons. They are simply  impratical toys;) (and, gawd, I love it when some brat says " I couldn't use a mac, because all of my games wouldn't work... wa wa wa" yes... games.. that is my BIGGEST issue.. .

If you have never truely "experimented" with a mac... i don't think you can ever truely compare it to your computer... apples to oranges.. , oranges being your generic pcs. I have switched over MANY relatives, and neighbors... apple should start paying me for my services. And there is a REASON they switch over... stuff just makes more sense:) I think they are easier, for your basic "i don't know what I am doing" computer users, as well. Nice, easy interface etc, Mind you, when osx was released, i was devastated, and missed classic. One of my computers is running both. Never mind-

bye, i'll never stop ranting, so i gotta leave the forums today;)

They are impractical because I can't do half the things I need to do. Therefore for me it would just be a gimick or a toy. Thats not to say for the right user it is as useful if not more useful than a PC to them. I know they are popular in media.

But I'm not some inexperienced I.T. user who needs a simple OS that protects me from clicking "view naked pig wrestling" and installing a plethora of viruses and spyware.
I'm not even tempted by the naked ladies.....not that I'm tempted by naked men!

all my clients are windows based all my servers are windows based (bar a few linux) so throwing a mac into the equation just further complicates things. It doesn't make business sence for me unless all my client suddenly decide to ditch their infrastructures in favour of Macs but that is just never going to happen. It wouldn't be cost effective in a managed networking environment.

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Dan Bayley

Ok it is slightly every sooooooooo slightly off the topic but what anti virus software do ya'll use?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

AVG free.

Uh huh..............ok then. On THAT note....

Roxithromycine
Tetracycline
Zone Alarm
Adaware
 In case of emergency AmazingTechs.com

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I used to use AVG as well Chuck in fact I bought a sub for AVG pro, but then I discovered Avast. It is also free and unlike AVG wont refuse to renew your free sub after a year. I was 2 months into my new purchased subscription when I discovered Avast and WOW. My tech friend who swore by AVG in fact installed it on all his clients computers, trialed Avast on my recommendation and now has done a complete switch. It is a very powerful but non-intrusive piece of software that will step into being a firewall if you dont currently have one running. It also monitors email, p2p and messaging software.
Registration is free but you do need to register to get all of the benefits. I am now into my 2nd year of using it. I also run adaware, spybot etc as well

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I will give that a try.

Avast, huh?



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