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Uh, ok..  LMAO

BAB'S said that ?  


<scrolling back,  has hell frozen over> ???

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

 LMAO  LMAO  LMAO

Oh Jerry,  I should've known,  It's Friday night.  Even we old farts still have the fire down below, and like to socialize with what little we have left !  

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Gotta sing..

I'm out in a bit..  LMAO

I take this to mean the term "we" in my previous post now needs to be replaced with *I* ?    :(

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Billy's here now..  Billy's going to blast me  

He has a healthier attitude about this sub stuff than I have  LMAO

Billy can blast me however,  he has my total respect !

OK, lay into me.... I can take it Billy  :dancin:<running out>

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Gotta sing! Gotta dance!  I gotta be meeeeee! Who else can I beeeee?  :asleep:

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Who loves ya baby?

steven ur my hero, and i don't agree with 1 word u say....ll....i had a longggggggg speech typed out to u and lost it....omg was it good too....u would have learned so much from it....ll...u put way more importance on ur talent and what people think of it than i do....who's right? who's wrong? who cares? ...all in fun to me...stage is a different world....-...no more no less to me....that was a very short version...take care my friend....i do respect that what u say, is right for you....

huggggs and kisses

Billy,

  That used to happen to me alot.  I'd prepare something, press the send button only to find my content vanished. It's frustrating when it happens. As a result, I started transferring to notepad (at times) saving a backup copy until my content posted, realizing there's a chance I might lose everything..
   It's interesting seeing and discussing different perspectives on this. I realize we have different perspectives on this.  I don't understand the difference between singing Karaoke, and a performance I suppose. Likely because I don't sing Karaoke in public places. I just see a singer onstage, as a performer, I have a tough time separating submitted material to Singers Showcase, from a performance.  I suppose I don't understand. I wish *I* could see things as just being "fun". I suppose alot of our individual perspective gets down to aspects of our egos ?  How we perceive others, ourselves, etc..  

Interesting.  Perhaps how self critical we are ?



I do, I guess I always considered a "performance" to be something that is for our audience.  If not, we do it in private.  A performed aesthetic area is something where the focus is on us during that period, and we are impacting a crowd.  Or in my case, the singing causes them to run to the bathroom to lose their stomach  LOL

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Billy,

  Let me give you another idea of my perspective on this.. Of course it's probably obvious by now, however a few others mentioned "open microphone" night as an analogy. I think both you and myself have attended quite a few open microphone nights.
  From my perspective, "open microphone" doesn't mean "invitation for any, or all to occupy the space in front of the microphone" anymore than walking into a restaurant and seeing a booth with an attractive woman sitting alone in it, (nobody sitting across from her in the opposite booth) means I am free to join her, or get into her space. My feelings are that as adults, or artists, we should know the difference between the "aesthetically pleasing" show of something visual, auditory etc, and something that bother's others that are exposed to our :performance:  As I see it, pen microphone: still includes a tacit understanding that "those that can generate something other's will appreciate hearing with permission or invitation perform", there's a responsibility for others that share our space. There's aesthetically presentable content, but of course there's also "noise pollution".

 While some in the bar might like sounds we generate, the result might also irritate them, even repulse them, singing being an aesthetic area, I feel I have a responsibility not to subject others to amplified sounds that don't sound good even without amplification, there's always a certain amount of etiquette during social interaction, and I guess I feel the person "on stage" DOES have a certain responsibility to others.. To entertain them, otherwise do it alone..

 Nights I've been out to open mic where spectacular musicians are enjoying themselves I've gotten MANY invitations to "sit in".. I won't however, assuming it's evident to me those viewing the performance, and those interacting onstage with a particular artist are having a better time with THAT person, than I feel I can provide..

 Similarly, my thoughts are that while all CAN submit to singers showcase, and all are likely extended a welcome... (For pleasure, and the sites business purposes.. not unlike a Bar) What would singers showcase be like if many many more that can't sing, didn't use tact, and submitted to that forum ?  What did attract some was the level of talent, and love for music, and desire to be among other artists..

 I suppose there is something I'm just not understanding. Maybe I should try to understand, "What is it that differ's in a "stage" Karaoke setting in front of an audience, that differ's from the "performance". What constitutes "performance" ?
I think this is what's hanging me up.. (Well one of the things)

  As you've stated, I recognise there ARE in fact differing perspectives. Many DO believe "It's just Karaoke" deliniating Karaoke from "performance". While my feelings and others feelings might not be "right or wrong".  I'm wondering what I'm missing here.. What it is I'm just overlooking.. Is it just my ego ?  Perhaps.. I can accept this, assuming that's the case..  Upbringing ?  Maybe that's what makes it toughest to shake off..  I honestly don't know.

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Well Steven, I think we just went to different open mics.  The open mic coffee houses I went to in the '70s had some really great players and singers and some pretty mediocre one's too.  All on the same stage on the same night.  You just clapped a lot more for the good ones and not nearly as much for the not so good ones.  It really wasn't that complicated.  

I actually do agree with your theory in a small way, about why you shouldn't sing.

These days singing karaoke is a lot like dancing in a club for non-dancers. Many do it to perform for a date or a wanna be date, many do it just to enjoy themselves. If something stands in the way of you being able to say "what the heck" and just doing it, then don't. Nobody will miss the non-singer. He or she is only a drop in the bucket. there are plenty of singers already.

If you could never manage the nerve to dance with someone in a public setting, you may never get the nerve to sing karaoke either.

Hey Chuck, that was a very good analogy of comparing club karaoke singing to dancing in a public setting.  I suspect that you're right in several cases.

I like the way you compared it toopen mic and clapping more for someone who sang well.

To me, singing karaoke is a lot like my analogy. The main diference is that I never took lessons on how to pick up women. I would have if they had been available.

An act of congress, and the way congress has been acting lately...

Interesting point.  ALOT of musicians DON'T dance.. Reason being, we often watch the behaviour of many. A few times it's the only entertainment WE have, while working. Some enjoy participating, some feel there are certain things best left for those that can do them without making fools of themselves. Dancing can be impressive, it can also be a form of exhibitionism that makes a person look quite stupid IMHO.  Some of us feel, that just like singing dancing is an artform. A person CAN in fact impress with it, on the flipside, some look like fools too.  Some, like to participate, THEY don't care "how well" they do something, they prefer doing without concern of what others think, how they are perceived by some, etc... Others of us feel certain things are best done in private if they are to be done at all..In certain cases, people just don't analyse things, they just live life, take part in it. Others of us watch it, try to make sense out've it, and try to avoid things we feel are totally absurd.  Incidently, I have two family members from the Bolshoi ballet (naturally they defected), I grew up with a ballet studio in my home, and a mother who was a professional classical as well as modern instructor..Capezio Pointe shoes all over the place..  My feelings regarding dancing ARE in fact the same as singing !  With one difference.. While I believe it's more my problem for caring what others on a dance floor dancing think,  or those watching feel..(meaning that people are free not to watch, it's just that simple) A person getting up on stage, with a microphone is potentially ALOT more intrusive  LOL


Interesting discussion, I understand where some are coming from.. I look at this in terms of Artform, and Display of Artform.. The hacks should hack in private IMHO.. There's a place to perform,  and learning shouldn't be a performance for ALL to see


JMO..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

One other thing !

While some of us are able to agree to disagree, consider this a learning experience and respectfully disagree with other perspectives (which is what I love about places such as this)


We recently have ANOTHER site problem. Quite simply, a TROLL or group of TROLLS that have landed and are trying to conquer.


Can we make a CONCERTED room effort, to also take this upon ourselves to remedy by agreeing to ignore the tolls, report flames and attacks to administration ONLY, and NOT respond to agonizing plea's for attention from these losers ?  Just as Singers showcase has certain problems that BEST are ignored.. Trolls are crafty babies that will go to great lengths, to get others attention !

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Steven ~
Music is a form of human expression and communication, right?  So even in an open mic situation, are only the "beautiful/perfect" musical people allowed to express themselves?  (We're just doing a devil's advocate thing here.)