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 Post subject: Re: KS forum Vs SS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:11 pm 
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You know the sad thing about all of this is that both of these guys are talented and are enjoyable to listen to.  

And as far as bashing Bruce...I haven't said anything to Bruce unless it followed one of his actions and what I said to him wasn't bashing.  He did come back at me and asked if I was Mark's Mommy in which I replied No but I would like to be his for about 10 minutes.   As a matter of fact we exchanged several private PM's but nothing was settled.  He has absolutely no reasoning ability.

I think the term "gang" is a little strong also.  "Gangs" don't usually stand up for good morals.  But you can call me whatever you like.  

And this is the comment that I left him after he upset so many on a gorgeous sub done for Patsy along with his reply.   So if this is bashing....Tar and feather me.  It's more of a plea to stop.  

a10cgirl  Total comments: 982  Submissions: 10 Sun., Aug. 6th

 Bruce, Mark did apologize publically in a comment. Why don't you just let this die?  
Reply: I'll let it die when the mother hens let it die.


As for someone not liking Mark......If you don't like him then fine...you have that right but you don't have the right to harrass him.   Bruce, even went back on old subs of Mark's and put nasty stuff on them so Mark couldn't keep them up.

And I really question the character of who can continue going to his subs and doing this and who can stand up and defend it.  

Mark should have never got the critique from Faile in the first place.  The sub was up "Just For Fun".  We've already gone through all that.  But she did....Mark did get upset....I don't blame him for that either.  He agreed he was a little hot because another person on here has been out to get him for almost 9 months now.  He apologized on a public board to her.  They both have since visited each others subs in a friendly manner.  What do some of you people want...Mark's blood?  And it hasn't just been Bruce....it's just now that Bruce is doing it....Bruce is doing their dirty work...but trust me if Bruce stops it will start again because I've already been told that they will ruin him at all cost.  

You people that are so quick to find excuses for this wouldn't be finding them if it was happening to you.  So how can you find excuses for this.  It's totaly amazing.

Mark has put up with this crap all year.  And forgive some us who do like him......We are fed up.

I'm really sick of his character being attacked because there is not a soul doing it that hasn't got some kind of skeleton in their closet.  If you are that perfect then you need to be on a freakin' throne somewhere.

Now that I have that off my chest.....I'm going to listen to some subs.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:42 pm 
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Jian @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:03 pm wrote:
We all should be more reasonable about what is going on in SS. I have not been around often enough to listen to songs there and have not sub a song for a few months, so I do not see the whole picture. But from the post here and reading some of the comments over at SS, there are some misunderstanding. That, we all must try to resolve for the good of this site. Granted, that we all want to have fun but not at the expanse of others members of the site.

We all come from different background and the only unifying factor that bring us all here is singing. Do we want to let our singing break us all up? That kind of defeat the sole aim of us being here; fun.

Some of us are very good singers some not so good. But most of us are VERY SENISTIVE on even the slightest smell of negativity about our singing. we need to remind our self about the feeling of others, try being less hurtful by being more helpful.

For the time being, it will help if all of us cool down a bit; try not to shoot from the hip, smile and have fun.


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I agree Jian. I know you don't need my vote but there it is anyway.

Let's please move on. The remaining hurt feelings can perpetuate the matter and it has gone on too long already.

Sure, I am meerly looking at this from the outside but we need to drop the whole mess. I mean no disrespect to anybody.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:04 pm 
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BlueStainedShoes @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:16 pm wrote:
My gawd, what a rerun of elementary school drama.

Sorry, but that's just the way I feel about all of this.

But to come in here forming little groups, and choosing sides, is just not my cup of tea..... I stay out of it. I have no personal beef with either side, and am just hoping that this can end.... and everyone will start getting along again.

I partly agree with Nathan and Cindy, and that's what made me finally post in here. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone who subs or comments in SS.... but people have got to realize that not EVERYBODY is going to always like EVERY sub you put up. And, not everyone is always going to like your voice either. That's life. For every famous singer on the radio who went down in history as one of the "all time greats".. there are people out there who don't like their singing. Get over it. Sing for the ones who DO like your voice and like to listen to you. Ignore the rest, if there is really nothing to gain by what they say.

It's gotten a bit carried away in there. While I appreciate people trying to stand behind a friend- I always do the same, IF I feel the friend is in the right- this breaking off in groups no matter WHO is right or wrong, is just such a merry-go-round of shyt flinging, it's really absurd.  Again, no disrespect meant.... I for one love Mark's singing... and consider him a friend. He knows that.

What REALLY ticks me off though:
(and I'm not naming names...)

Is when you have members of the forums, who have never subbed a song and in no way participate in the showcase, delegating WHAT and HOW we need to do things over there. "This needs to happen".... "That needs to happen".... "There should be no *C* category".... "Everyone should sub *L* only"...... "Everybody lies to everybody".... "Those poor bad singers believe what they're hearing in comments".... Put your money where your mouth is. Until you've proven that you know what you're talking about, quit being so dayum condescending of everyone who subs.  Talk is cheap. I could go to a gazillion websites and copy and paste gibberish here and assume a bunch of false know-how and make it look like I reallllyyyyy know alot about music. And, if not for the fact that most here have heard me sing (and mess up at times)  :oops: , I could be mistaken for a MRS. Know-it-all. But I'm not typically a liar by nature, and I don't need a bunch of followers to feed my ego.

But if you're going to sit in judgement of everyone who does sub, and try to get a bunch of drama going about what Phil & the Mods need to make happen, and how most over there are liars & don't have the talent to form a spitwad.... then sub something yourself. If you're so worried about "fluff"..... sub "Listen Only" and use a thread here for your "real critique".   By all means, join us... or leave SS to the people who actually participate in it.  I mean, who in hell made you God of all that's holy on this site?  Especially since we have NO tangible evidence that you have any form of musical talent at all.

And I reallllyyyy don't care who I pi$$ed off. My life will still go on...

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Holy crap! She's at the 20...the 10...the 5....Touchdown!  Wow.  :hi5:  :oh yeah:  :dancin:  :need hug:  :handshake:

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Stop the INSANITY!  

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OK, it appears that we have a cease fire!  Good!  I am going to take the liberty of
making a formal declaration of this cease fire on 8/6/06 at 6:30PM PDT, 9:30PM EDT.   :yes: So let there be peace in the valley again!!!


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Odie @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:34 pm wrote:
OK, it appears that we have a cease fire!  Good!  I am going to take the liberty of
making a formal declaration of this cease fire on 8/6/06 at 6:30PM PDT, 9:30PM EDT.   :yes: So let there be peace in the valley again!!!
Ahhh, I can hear the birds chirping and the bees buzzing...

Oops, sorry I went to the birds and the bees. :dancin:


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Odie @ 7th August 2006, 9:34 am wrote:
OK, it appears that we have a cease fire!  Good!  I am going to take the liberty of
making a formal declaration of this cease fire on 8/6/06 at 6:30PM PDT, 9:30PM EDT.   :yes: So let there be peace in the valley again!!!


I will be the UN Sec. Gen. ( I have to take the main responsibility since I started this thread) and you be the Chief UN Peace Observer. :hug:  :hi5:  :worship:

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Jeffieoke @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:23 pm wrote:
Stop the INSANITY!  

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For a start,
1. stop commenting on songs by people we do not like.... for the time being.
2. Remove the songs that have 'nasty' comment from your song list.
3. Remove/edit your comment if you feel it hurt the singers.
4. Remove or edit the reply that does not sound quite right.

If you still have bad/ nasty comments to your song by the same individual, ignore it ; this will make that person look bad in the eyes of others. Try not to do the same when that offending person sub a song.

I hope this will work out.

Happy singing.



And if anyone feel the need for a punching bag I will sub a song soon. Everyone is invited to released your anger on me. I can take it. :worship:

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Wonderful wise words Jian and I will do my best to follow.


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Jian @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:10 pm wrote:
For a start,
1. stop commenting on songs by people we do not like.... for the time being.
2. Remove the songs that have 'nasty' comment from your song list.
3. Remove/edit your comment if you feel it hurt the singers.
4. Remove or edit the reply that does not sound quite right.

If you still have bad/ nasty comments to your song by the same individual, ignore it ; this will make that person look bad in the eyes of others. Try not to do the same when that offending person sub a song.

I hope this will work out.

Happy singing.



And if anyone feel the need for a punching bag I will sub a song soon. Everyone is invited to released your anger on me. I can take it. :worship:


Thank you Jian.. and hopefully this won't go on as long as the war in Iraq


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Odie @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:34 pm wrote:
OK, it appears that we have a cease fire!  Good!  I am going to take the liberty of
making a formal declaration of this cease fire on 8/6/06 at 6:30PM PDT, 9:30PM EDT.   :yes: So let there be peace in the valley again!!!


There will be peace...in the valley ...someday.

-Taken care 'a business, baby!

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Jeffieoke @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:16 pm wrote:
Odie @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:34 pm wrote:
OK, it appears that we have a cease fire!  Good!  I am going to take the liberty of
making a formal declaration of this cease fire on 8/6/06 at 6:30PM PDT, 9:30PM EDT.   :yes: So let there be peace in the valley again!!!


There will be peace...in the valley ...someday.

-Taken care 'a business, baby!

Jeffvis The Pelvis (That's what my wife calls me) -unless she doesn't?


That was so stupid I cracked myself up!  LMAO

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Of course, my comment above was intended as a joke...lol....I really do love SS, and I don't like to see people arguing over such feeble matters.

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Thank you Jian.. and hopefully this won't go on as long as the war in Iraq



Should be over before the new week starts.

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LOL  LOL  LMAO

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Of course, my comment above was intended as a joke.......I really do love SS, and I don't like to see people arguing over such feeble matters.


Same, same, here  :handshake:  :hug:

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Cantstopsinging @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:06 pm wrote:
Jeffieoke @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:23 pm wrote:
Stop the INSANITY!  

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Doesn't Susan Powter kind of resemble Annie Lennox????
Yes, too bad she doesn't have the talent to go with it.


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Jian @ Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:10 pm wrote:
For a start,
1. stop commenting on songs by people we do not like.... for the time being.
2. Remove the songs that have 'nasty' comment from your song list.
3. Remove/edit your comment if you feel it hurt the singers.
4. Remove or edit the reply that does not sound quite right.

If you still have bad/ nasty comments to your song by the same individual, ignore it ; this will make that person look bad in the eyes of others. Try not to do the same when that offending person sub a song.

I hope this will work out.

Happy singing.



And if anyone feel the need for a punching bag I will sub a song soon. Everyone is invited to released your anger on me. I can take it. :worship:
That sounds like a a solution. I hope every will get onboard.

I will take the suggestion, Jian.


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Excellent conversation and I applaude all members that wish to improve the relations between others.

I have stayed out of this for the most part. But certain individuals have started making incorrect accusations regarding myself. Well I want to clarify my postion.

I could go on in here however I have posted some comments here:
http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7533

If anyone has a question or comment please feel free to contact me.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:58 am 
It's the best practice in these situations...responding, even if you have thought carefully how you are responding in what you say, no matter how "nicely" phrased, just instigates them even more---you can't change them so just ignore them.  Something I need to remember even on these pages at times. Frankly, a lot of this SS situation has come about from too many people knowing too much of other people's personal business. Let the individuals affected take care of themselves and take the necessary steps with admin or the individuals causing the upset.  But yes, for the moment, just ignore them and they will disappear....


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webguru @ Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:56 am wrote:
Excellent conversation and I applaude all members that wish to improve the relations between others.

I have stayed out of this for the most part. But certain individuals have started making incorrect accusations regarding myself. Well I want to clarify my postion.

I could go on in here however I have posted some comments here:
http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7533

If anyone has a question or comment please feel free to contact me.

Thanx


Phil,

I know you are doing all you can do.  I've seen the numerous comments you have removed.    And I've tried to explain that to the ones who have said something concerning you or the management.

This is definitely something that needs to be looked at from upper management to keep this sort of thing from happening or at least have some consequences when it does happen.  My suggestion would be to give a person a warning when something like this is happening and then if it continues....a permanent ban from the site.

Thanks for taking the time to post something for us to see.

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