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well my thoughts are if I have 10, 20, 50, people coming to my sub to have a bash at me.. I'm probably going to be more determined to defend myself..  see what I mean Drea? what's it going to stop? its going to be a vicious circle..no matter who it is

action gets reaction..    case in point.. some people I call friends that are always on MSN and now mysteriously show as "offline" on my list but are online in other places..  sorry if my opinions didn't sit well with them.. like I said.. my opinion is mine.. my actions are mine.. I'm not responsible for what anyone else says or does.. real friends will realize that even tho we have different opinions doesn't mean we aren't friends.

Foxe, staying silent sure as heck didn't work. I tried that!! I and many others kept quiet and let him do his thing...it didn't go away - it didn't stop, and based on what I see it won't stop...he loves it - this is probably the most attention he's ever had and of course that is the basis for what he does...he wants attention. I hate confrontation, but I've totally had it with that idiot and had to speak my mind. I'm sick of sitting there and letting him do his thing - its just wrong. In a way, I feel bad for feeding his attention, but definitely not for what I said - I toned it way down from what I would have loved to have said. Regardless of how this is handled, confronting it or ignoring it, it won't stop till he grows up.

Cindy, noone had made any off color comments on his sub the other night when he made a nasty comment on powertosspeople's sub. How do you explain that? Noone made a remark to him first when he went to someone's sub to complain about his voice...repeatedly. Then he went back to that sub to see who defended him and went to their subs in turn (Drea's included). Sorry, it's HIM going around making unsolicited remarks, he has earned the ones he has gotten to date. If he had done this on a moderated site he would have long ago been a ban. Then noone would feel the need to be angry, upset or defensive.

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Jeff,  At the time of this post I also mentioned (but evidently in a different thread) having a disallow feature comparable to the PM feature blocking certain people from commenting.

(it was in this thread 12:17 AM, following the above post you quoted)

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WIth all due respect Drea, and Lisa, I don't think it's a huge secret that Mark is a little sensitive when it comes to someone saying something negative about his singing. I recall a few months ago when Seby and Jean gave him honest critiques on a 'C" sub, and he jumped all over them, they fought back, and everyone came rushing to his aid. I also remember commenting on one of his songs a while back, and I complimented him on his high range, and somehow he took it the wrong way, and emailed me, asking me to explain why I felt that way, like I had insulted him. I am not saying that Bruce is in the right by any means, but I do think that Mark opened the can of worms on his own, sometimes you just have to take a negative comment on the chin.  

I agree it has gotten out of control, but to be honest, i'm not surprised. I do think Mark is a great guy, don't get me wrong, but when posting in a public forum, you have to realize your not always going to hear what you want to hear.

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I explain it by this comment...

It's not up to ME to explain it.. I don't answer for anyone else's actions or words..

I understand what you are saying Nathan, however a lot of the bashing didn't even have to do with his singing. There is a huge difference between offering critique and downright slamming someone. If it was critique, and the comments were decently worded, I wouldn't be posting any of this right now. However the comments were downright hateful and many were removed because of the language used and the vindictive manner in which they were delivered. That is why so many of us are upset....this was no critique - trust me.

Nathan, I understand what you are saying....but to be honest this is about something a lot bigger than someone not liking someone else's singing. It's simply that we are sick of seeing our regulars upset. I am not part of a stupid war, I am a sideline observer who said okay ENOUGH. I really don't care if someone likes someone else's singing or not, I just don't think they need to bring their opinions about someone's singing to someone ELSE's sub. I don't think that's an unfair expectation really. He totally defaced a dedication to Patsy and upset her... she only just returned here and I don't think any of us want her to leave again. As I have already stated I just wish he would drop it.

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Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. (I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.)

I love that idea Steven. It would save some headaches, that's for sure.

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Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. (I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.)

Hopefully that is what will come of all this discussion including a common understanding.

 Hi Chuck

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Hi fierynette.

Just like last night, I am late arriving. It's cool because I don't know enough about the details to give any reasonable comments except that the discussion seems to be working.

Looking at it from the outside is why I want to give my opinion about what I see. It sounds corny but I think it is relevant.

I know that if I received such comments it would surprise and infuriate me. Hopefully after reading all of this I can avoid being caught up in the furor. I will certainly try.

This is my weakest point in understanding human nature. I am a blind idealist still. I ignore the reality that people will do what they will do and I need to learn to allow for this. It's why I'm here. Doc said it would be good for me if I ever wish to work with people face to face.

You can see the examples from my recent actions or reactions to just normal little things. I go way beyond normal a normal response and need to learn temperment.

Hey Chuck - good to see you. I sure hope the stuff in SS goes away. I am thinking of taking a week off and hopefully things will settle some...although I did that once and nothing changed .

Hi Drea.

Setting myself aside to handle life's issues is what I am learning. You can tell that I am still too much into I and me. That is my gauge. when I can post comments for an extended period of time that are not about me and I, I will know I have moved on.



I ned to add this to my comments becuase I feel that it wasn't mentioned anough above, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me.

I also should add myself.


Whew, much better now.

I was just under the impression that the whole deal started with Angie leaving a less than stellar comment on one of his subs, maybe I was wrong.

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Chuck I soooo know what you mean. I tend to get upset pretty easily, however I can usually keep myself from reacting. Sometimes however there comes a point where I just don't feel right by NOT reacting and thats what happened last night. I too have to realize that no matter how upset I get, or how much I wish things would change, the only thing I can control is how I handle the situation...I can't change what anyone else does. It gets infuriating at times too. Especially with ADHD, I feel this need to have things settled NOW...without closure or a conclusion, my head just spins. Thats why I think its time to step away for a little while - even if its just a few days. Sometimes that works for me. It kind of stinks, because in a way, I feel like I'm being chased away by someone else's actions...but I have to see it as a conscious choice I'm making and that puts the power back in my hands.

Yes I'm rambling

Lisa!  Maybe you and Drea could work on some kind of a petition PM that people who are interested could all sign and send to Admin?  Maybe something that would address the current problem with BruceFan4LIfe and something that would offer/demand changes in SS to help prevent similar "degrading comment" situations in the future.

Oh Nathan that did kick this off, however they settled it publicly immediately and in reality his reaction to her comment wasn't what brucefan is making it out to be. The sub in question was put up just for fun, and quite frankly, her comment made no sense to me but that is just my opinion, however I've seen similar situations on other subs. What I don't get is brucefan has kept this alive for weeks...long after the apology was made and accepted - publicly. Its out of control.

Definitely something to consider Odie

I hope it will work. Phil might be looking for a way to fix this whole thing and might also be giving us the leeway to find our own solution.

I have to remember that I am not above this kind of behavior. I get snobby if I manage to not get caught up in it. It is human nature, bing a human means that many of us find it hard to avoid.