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soooooooo of everything i said  tsk tsk is what u got out of it?  what didn't u agree with? could u give details?  u have a right to disagree, i don't mind, i just wish u would explain....signed.....not yo baby

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I've found two things very very tough in my life.  One seems close to impossible CURRENTLY, because it's very detailed, and every little thing is critical, that's golf. Singing DOES NOT come naturally, or easily to me. Already, I've tried VERY hard to sound like something decent (and the only part I have down, is that I can sound like "something")

Billy,

  What you state is true, "Rank" is relative, it's terribly inaccurate, and my only feelings are, that if it becomes a source of MORE bickering than satisfaction, why is it needed ?  If the pros outweight the cons, that's good too I suppose.




Go over to Singers Forum Billy, I created a small site a few days ago. In the form of a thread.  "for the serious singer" (or something Like that).. As to whether or not the "site" would be better off existing in the form of another "Club" that members must join, THAT would be my own preference.. I suppose that'd need to be a decision quite a few make, and propose it to Phill. Ultimately KS admin would likely decide if it benefits them in actuality I suppose, They know what they want for the forums. I was going to ask Phill the likelihood of KS having a club for the more serious-minded singer/musician, however it also ocurred to me one answer might be "That's what the intent of Singer's Forum is... For you folks to discuss what you wish regarding, Singing".

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c'mon steven i know you're around, can't wait to hear your thoughts on billy's thoughts...  EDIT:  man, that was fast!!  

morgan, i'd like to hear yours too...btw, i went to your website...veryyy nice...

thanks a lot steven, now i have to wonder about what people are saying behind my back     ...do you really think everyone is like that on the showcase?  everyone?  i do agree completely about people saying someone is awesome, on pitch, etc. ad nauseam when they're clearly not, but for the most part i think most just say they enjoyed the song and thanks for subbing it or whatever...well anyway, don't mind me, continue on people....

p. s. billy, can i be your baby?    

OK.. OKWN...  I'll read your book after a bit I just got done eating dinner and can't think that much to do all that reading but sure good to see you again!  :wave:

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Morgan.. maybe you were trying to lighten the mood but I don't know you and I'm not really sure.. but both your comments above towards Ok What Now came off sounding condescending the way I read it..  Ok What Now doesn't speak often... so when he does on a topic like this.. then its something he really believes in..  and he's entitled to his beliefs.. just like you are and the rest of us.. he was just stating his opinion on the topic..  

ok.. next round  :whistle:

with ur voice and ur great looks? hmmmmmm....yessssssssss

for a minute there i thot it was steven posting...    LMAO

hiya g/f!!    

yea what foxie said...hiiiiiiiii

Billy, one other thing I just thought of regarding "nobody should be made fun of over in Singer's Showcase", Naturally I agree.  However this IS a concern I have regarding those that believe they are "That good" based upon their KS rank. I'm concerned those that wish to believe they are a 9 or 10, and buying such a fantasy are being set up for a greater chance of making fools of themselves in the real world, and even just elsewhere, based upon the SS lies.  To give a person who's in actuality turned out an "8" performance a "10" isn't going to make the "8" rank singer a fool anyplace.  That's conventially a very good singer anywhere,  I think many will agree that at best most are about an 8.
    My concern is giving the "2"-"6" rank glowing comments and "9's"...  It's this persons "friends" (that are too afraid to tell them the truth), but instead "White Lie" to these horrible sounding singers in SS, and than do the worst thing. MISLEAD them and give them a 10 which is much worse than just a "white Lie',  that's a blatant lie.. Reason being,  people that do this are basically telling their friends (assuming they eat this up)  "YOU ARE GREAT,  go out now -without making ANY changes- and perform, you are really an excellent singer"...  So their friend goes out, and makes an a$$ out've themself, and than gets bashed behind his back in the real world because he sucks, yet still entered competitive singing. OR, the person ends up in front of a Simon...  It's not a good thing..

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My point is one shouldnt be critiquing if one doesnt have the necessary experience or quals to do so. To invite someone who cannot sing a note to pass opinion is plan stupid. I am all for a private forum where I can get together with others but only those whose intelligence and musical experience I can respect, and really learn something. Take the criticisms and experiment with suggestions and then attempt to apply these things. To give a 10 (which I am sad to say I have done to go with the flow) on a home recording that hasnt had the benefit of mastering or mixing is daft in the extreme.

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You are an EXCELLENT singer Jeanne.  You have nothing to worry about.. But I've said to your face.. Easy on the reverb, YOU DO NOT need to cover anything.  You sounded better WITHOUT alot of reverb. You have too gorgeous a voice to be trying to hide it with reverb..

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Morgan, My own feeling is that the word "Critique" does not, and NEVER did belong in a venue such as Singer's Showcase for the reason you mentioned. Perhaps if there WAS a category someplace for the "aspiring Pro" that would be a different setting..  The process takes more than just a person that's capable of truly receiving the Critique, It does require some amount of presentation ability, and maturity as well on the part of the person offering the Critique. Some skill is involved in the actual "Critique".  "Careful analysis" does require an ability, an element of sophistication, that just doesn't belong in the hands of "just anybody".... Most don't even know what that word means in Singer's Showcase, they just hurt themselves with it.   Comments IS ALL that should exist there IMHO

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oh pish posh!  you still on that reverb kick?     i'm trying to wean myself off of it, i reallyyyyyy am....



hmmmmmmm....steven claims not to be able to sing a note....don't think i'm the only one who values his opinion greatly...

How ridiculous. -, not American Idol. We go over this same old ground all the time and it is a waste. Too bad you are so worried about all the deluded poor singers who have 9s and 10s from people who don't take this seriously enough(?). Yes, I think we should put them in treatment. It's terrible. They are in for a big surprise when their lives are turned upside down if they should ever find out they have no future in recording music.  When are those of you who think for some odd reason that you can sing going to leave the poor souls who are middle of the road alone? Are you actually jealous that some peeps have high marks? What's the problem? Why must this be a subject? If you don't like the Singer's Showcase, stay out. If you can't stand people being nice to each other, organize a separate Showcase where you can hammer each other into submission. I've never heard more pathetic whining than I do about the Singer's Showcase.  It's not lying to say something nice to someone. It's possible for someone with a mediocre voice to really do an exemplary job that deserves the best rank you can give them. You simply never learned any manners. Don't rank someone if you feel the need to rank them poorly. They really don't want your criticism, most of them.  - KARAOKE KARAOKE KARAOKE
-Hello! McFly?

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You know, Morgan does have a point about the audio reproduction of these things we listen to hear (and if asked to critique)...one can only trust their ears are in goodstanding to realize at times that a missed consonant at the end of a word (for example) is just a result of indifferent mixing methods (and lord knows, I wish I knew a lot more about this stuff) coupled with cyber interference, the program used on this site to play MP3s and many other factors. And yes, many I time I've heard something that, conceivably was a well executed performance just mucked up beyond belief and not worth continued listening, with very exessive reverb and special effects, particularly pertaining to my favorite areas of music, where "special effects" should be limited.  I'd say if you are singing "April Showers" and it sounds like you are singing from Carlsbad Caverns it is either a really bad idea, or the person is masking their actual voice (at last that is the impression I form), which is a shame, because this person may indeed have a fine voice and skills but geez, who can tell from all that echoing upside your head!

jeff not sure who u r but it seems ur straddling the fence to me....seems in ur comment ur the one putting down the poor worthless singers, and who would they be?   what would u rate ur singing? r u part of the upper class? r the bottom feeders like me?   to some karaoke is their 15 min. of fame...to themmmmmm it means everything....but that's them....how do u feel about ur singing? their singing?

That's moot.  People STILL overreact in Singer's Showcase when they don't receive a high rank, people still bicker over comments left whether it's "JUST Karaoke or not."  MANY put A LOT more emphasis on what they derive out've the Showcase.  Whether they SHOULD is a different story. Problem is, assuming others approached this from an angle "It's just Karaoke", these conversations and arguments wouldn't keep coming up...  To many in the showcase, Singing, and THEIR voices are MUCH more than "just Karaoke".  That's not going to change.  When people enter a competition, things get heated whether it's "Just competition", "just Karaoke" or "Just basketball", etc.  and lastly, YES, People here HAVE tried out for AI..

It DOESN'T MATTER if it's just Karaoke assuming some people take Karaoke that seriously. Some do, Who are you to say they are wrong for doing-so ?

Jeff is missing the point. We know it's Karaoke.  LOL

When people submit to the Singer's Showcase, what they submit is a PERFORMANCE of themselves.  NOT just Karaoke ! There's more ego involved in the Showcase, The whole world can hear the person, not just a few drunks at a tiny bar, where few listen to the singer much of the time to begin with, your analogy is a poor one.

Even that aside, Some submit live accompaniment, bands, live work, etc. It's NOT all Karaoke

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I not one of the peeps going over this same ground that has gotten the boot from admin in here about 4 times and sarcasm is usually easily interpretted. As for where I see myself, you or anyone else. That's my business.  I leave that in my comments in the Singer's Showcase. The thing that bothers me is when people actually get angry over someone getting 9s and 10s.

That makes me say...HUH? Maybe it's deserved and maybe it's not but WHY are YOU worried about it and certainly why would you spend time worried about it?

Sarcasm is an old form. I would have thought it was apparent, but maybe not to all.

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OK, but even in a public format it's none of your business because you have no idea why someone got the marks they did and no one has to explain it to you.

Now I remember why I had begun to stay away from here. The same peeps with the same old arguements. Things are always more fun when something is being stirred up.

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and this bothering you, and you spouting about it is going to stop other's from getting angry over 9's and 10's because ?  You are just adding to a fray over that which "bothers you".  How are you solving anything ? or coming up with any revelation ?  


What some of us have done is come up with a few alternatives, and have proposed such options.  We don't just spout telling people "how they should act". We already know HOW they act, and are trying to come up with options to remedy certain issues that exist in human nature ALL over.  A few are trying to have a forum for those that truly CAN handle the Critique process, want Critiques, and deserve them without getting bashed for offering them within a forum where people DO overreact.

What you are bringing up has also been brought up over and over and over again Jeff.  It does little good. People DO react and have strong feelings. The ranking situation IS a problem that repeats itself despite ANY of us in here currently.

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Of COURSE I have an idea WHY they got the ranks they got, We ALL know why, and THAT'S the problem. Those that rank talk about "why".. Are you serious ?   Dishonesty affecting many becomes the business of many !

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