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I agree with Lonnie!

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Scott

Hey if it works for you, and you are willing, I have no problem with that.  WHat I have a problem is with people (you know who your are) say that HOSTER is the be all and end all of karaoke hosting packages.  There are several others out there, that do just as good a job as HOSTER, but it is all personal opinions.  For example, my wife like to use Microsoft's Office products, where as I prefer the Open Office suite of programs.  Is onew better than the other?  YES, maybe NO?????  It is just my opinion that I find OO to be better.

Now on to another subject....about KMA files....

Aren't the KMA files actually a modified WMA file (stuff added to do the graphics)?  Or is it somthing totaly different?

If it is actually a WMA file....I have been reading a lot that YES ant LOWER bit rates (128 and below) a WMA file is better than a MP3 file.  BUt when going to 192 and above, the MP3 (with a good encoder (LAME)) file is actually better.  I dunno, that is just what I have read, but it could be wrong.

Has actualy anyone did any testing to see if a WMA or a MP3 is better?  Not just listening to the music with your ears, but with real scientific with instruments, and gadgets, and thingys.  LOL.

From an engineering standpoint a complex spectrum analysis of d/a converted audio would be hard pressed to evaluate subtle diiferences in sample rates etc. With a good system one can hear the differences at times, however when a good system is tweaked  for the room acoustics proper fx applied and audio procs compensating for basic inadaquaqcies they are almost imperceptable. Then add crowd noise and room acoustics to the equation .The most difference I take advantage of when I want to "showcase my system" I will import wav, mp3 or any other into sonar3 and use its audio engine. It uses asio audio drivers with a brd like M-Audio and it will blow you away Guaranteed you will hear the difference in any environment.

I agree, I don't believe I ever claimed (at least I hope I didn't) that it was the best, it is the best for my needs & expectations.



Yes it is based on the wma platform.



You could also say that is accurate as well.  But that's the point, you can get good sound at a lower rip from the wma, in order to get the same sound (or better) from mp3, it needs to be a higher rip - bigger file.  However, with the prices of hard drives being what they are these days, that isn't even that big of an issue anymore.  I heard that the newer mp3-pro is even better than both of the above, don't know i'f ever heard one of these files yet though.

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Personally I can tell the difference between a MP3 ripped at 128, 192 and 256.  For my libary, I have gone with the 256 bit rate.  I would never do a show with mp3s ripped at 128, it does sound kinda "empty" for lack of a better word.  So I guess I did choes right when selecting the MP3+G format.

Just wondering, whit is it that when a discussion about hosting programs, that MTU products are the most contervisal.  It seem like we can't get through a thread, with MTU in it, with out some big debate.

Just seem weird....

I've said it before, we need a LOCKED, STICKY post with all the hosting packages, and when people ask, point them to that.  A user of each program could write a little review of how, and why they use the program, and of course no BASHING of other programs.

I can tell the difference at home, but not in a bar environment between 128 and 192!

Strange but true. The customers will not care about what program the kj use. Nobody ague about the merit of a mixing board in such a detail.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Not true Adrian....in some circles just mention you own a Behringer mixer and you are likely to get your head chopped off....Lots of folks hate Behringer gear cause Uli Behringer was caught stealing designs from other manufacturers and also recently selling tons of gear without FCC compliance certification....In both cases what he did betrayed the consumer and used unfair tactics against his competition.

.....And that is my beef with MTU.....I felt betrayed and I also felt that they were being unfair by preventing folks from playing KMA files on other machines or allowing someone to write a program that will play KMA files.

MTU has really painted theirself into a tiny corner of the market by being so restrictive....It's laffable how determined they are to selfdestruct by refusing other programs the ability to play or convert the KMA format....I think it would be great if the WMA developers would start screaming at MTU, because KMA is based on WMA but MTU refuses to allow WMA users or developers do the same with their KMA stuff.

I don't think MTU will be able to survive much longer for those reasons....That is, unless they change their tactics.

But that's your opinion.

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Yep, but this same guy buys and uses Behringer mixers....I forgave Uli Behringer, but I refuse to forgive MTU.

MTU called me a thief...They said anyone who wanted to use other than KMA/Hoster wanted to do so only cause they wanted to make illegal copies of CDG's and then be able to distribute them via countless hardrives and be able to play them on any machine and that their Hoster/KMA format and their licensing restrictions prevented that.

ULI Behringer might be a low life, but he never called me a thief....It's not just my opinion, it's my reaction to their insults.

I don't need MTU or anyone else making my world crime proof or attempting to protect the world from me....Folks who think like that also want to take away my guns....guys like them say, "Here buy my gun, but please understand it is only designed for target practice, it can't kill anyone/anything...we made it that way cause we don't want you to break the law with it."

And let's not forget how MTU will allow you to play/convert any other format to KMA, but will not allow to opposite....That is very oneway....Any to make it worse, MTU addmitted they intended it that way, that they would sue anyone who managed to convert KMA to any other format....It's either their way or the highway....and they charge 200 bucks to be that way!

So Lonman, tell me honestly....do you have Windows Media Player installed?....How about Wimamp?....Tell me honestly that you never used a free player/ripper/converter cause you discovered your expensive copy of MTU prevented you from doing what the free stuff allows.

Beside the argument that Uli 'borrow' the design from other manufacturers many pro now see some merit about using his product. Read some of the threads in PSW and HR. The resistance NOT to use them is getting less and less. I don't like the board but I do use the amp.

What I am trying to get across is that, it is just a small part of a KJ tools. The lap top that you install the program in, is to me more important than the software. Nobody get trashed for not using Dell but instead use HP.

When someone ask for help about a new set up, ALL of use here will agree that separate components is the way to go; player, mixer, amp, speakers. But when it comes to going digital we mostly want to 'all in one program'.One feature missing and someone say that program suck, one feature not up to par and we a 20 posts argument about it. Strange,

Yet there are programs that are FREE. But there are some of us here who think that Free means it is for home use only and if you consider yourself a pro then 'THIS' program is a must. Strange.... too. If a have a chose of a free mixer with less features and a $300 with all the bell and whistles that i do not really need then I will take the free mixer. Sadly there is no such thing. But there are free KJ hosting program out there.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Yep.....But human nature says "I ain't about to admit I got suckered and paid 200 bucks for something when I couldda had something better for free."

I run into the same attidude whenever the wine sippers see me guzzling Mad Dog 20/20.....I never understood why they pay 40 bucks a single bottle of wine when I can get a whole case of Mad dog for $30....Maybe the expensive stuff tastes better when you puke it up.

I got a neighbor that makes wine out dandelions.. I havnt seen him out with hogs lately I guees hes still alive...  LOL

Well of course I would have Windows Media Player, it comes on the machine.  Winamp, tried it, did nothing for me, do not use it anymore.  SO honestly, no I haven't used any of the free rippers (even paid for Ticerasoft CDG ripper, Goldenhawk Wincdg & Clone CD when it was available), my "expensive" copy of MTU DOES what I need it to do & with the sound quality I want.  I don't plan on using the music on anything other than the computer with Hoster on it so why would it be a big deal if the music can't be played in other formats (I have no plans to run more than 1 rig with it), I knew this when I researched before hand & compared to other programs, I knew exactly what it was intended to do, what it could do & oddly enough, found it to fit my needs over even some of the free programs out there.  I did not buy it & expect it to do something it wasn't designed to do, this is something someone else might do.
I am not a big mp3 fan, when I do rip music, I rip to wma format.

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WOW! this thing is still going on. Its went from a simple question to a therapy session. Let it go man, let it go

AGREED!  Let's end it with that some of us, it's the best thing since sliced bread.  Where as others, prefer their peanut butter via the spoon.

Kelly

OMG! That's cause Mad Dog tastes Nasty, and is awful to you the next day! I learned that lesson when I was TWENTY!

SHEESH! !

I'll take the wine over the Mad Dog!  Still remember that from high school. YUCK!

Kelly