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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

I added to this Jian.  Don't forget to read my addition  :hug:

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

You guys almost kill me laughing

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

I enjoy laughing.  If I want trouble, all I need to do is turn away from my computer. It's all around.  I'm here to have fun only.  Sometimes I forget that.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Jian,

    Have you ever been to the Petronas Towers area of Malaysia ?  I was reading something about the worlds deepest pond, it's a Tin mine, and it's been converted to a resort swimming hole.  I can't find any info on how deep it is however.  For some reason I get curious about this stuff  LOL ..  I really do.  I don't know how deep miners have to dig for Tin.  Gold and a few other metals I've read about. Tin I know nothing about regarding the mining process.

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The Petronas Twin Towers at one time was the tallest in the world. Never been inside, I have many time pass by it but never inside.
The Mine is one of the leading theme resort in Kuala Lumpur. They have the F1 world powerboat race their. I have been there but have not tried to stay at the hotel. The family had diner there. I am not sure how deep the lake is but it must be very deep. They use dredge for mining

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

hmm that's the only reason that I keep subbing here periodically is for my adoring fans and unadulterated adoration they pour out at me..and why YES of course I buy into it.. I've decided to quit my job and go into music full time     <-- yeahhhhh right..  :nana:

actually I sub here primarily because this is where some of my friends, coworkers and family come to listen..  and yes of course.. on my worst days in life I might sub a song here or other places and the comments I get help to make me feel a little more positive on the day.. such is life..

not to be mean.. but.. what's to say that this person doesn't also believe the same about themselves as you have stated--> "you think you really do have some potential"

I have liked what I've heard from you Michael, but.. the next person might think the same about you as what you think about that person.. everyone listens differently and hears different things..

I mean.. there's another singer on SS that regularly gets 30+ comments and you'd think they were the next Elvis or Beatles.. and personally.. I think they are "ok" in some songs.. and others well.. I might not listen to the entire song because I can't go along with what has been said and the song is rubbing me in a wrong way and I know how the person feels about a "so-so" comment.

But who am I to decide they can't sing and have fun and that their friends can't help boost their ego a bit.

I had one song that get 30 + comments non was bad. Yet I told people in the intro to the song that the pitching were off in many places, and those who listen know I don't sing well; just ask Steven.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Jian..

well then you get the other direction.. where some will say nothing good about their song in the description.. run it and their singing down actually.. and it comes across that they are trying to get people to go overboard and really get people to compliment their song

ahhh the joys of SS membership .. I love the different opinions, attitudes, and collective community  :hug:

Very true.
But I was telling the truth about the song that they were about to listen. The whole world know I cant sing, even Steven said so.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Do you really want the apostrophe rules??

Like someone said, in this type of forum, who cares, but for knowledge sake, here ya go!! BTW, if I have not told you before I have a masters in English and my day job is as a marketing writer and corporate communications liason. Here ya go:

POSSESSIVE: 's after any NOUN is a possessive. Like Steve's bike. If the noun is PLURAL, THEN you put the ' AFTER the s. Like the customers' policies (as in multiple customers). If it were one customer, it would be customer's policy. It is a common misconception that the apostrophe always goes after the S when any word ends in S, which is not true. It is still correct to say "Chris's bike."

CONTRACTION: 's can also be a contraction of the word IS, as in John's getting some coffee. I.E. John is getting some coffee. This is just like th case of the 't in can't, meaning cannot.

Apostrophes are NOT used when pronouns are possessive!! That is its last showing. Its is possessive. It's is the contraction, meaning IT IS.

Like said earlier, apostrophes are also not used for plurality, like with the acronyms you mentioned earlier. VCRs, TVs, DVDs -NOT- VCR's, TV's, DVD's. Since these acronyms are really abbreviations for nouns, the 's afterwards would signify POSSESSION, and not PLURALITY!!

That's it (that is it!!). Those are the only cases in which you use the apostrophe.

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KJ, FL

*sigh* Topher.. I love a person that see's the correct side of the English language..

 Grrrr I miss my marketing job!!  

That's not true Jian,  As I've told you,  You are better than Andy Williams, and Glen Campbell. There was one song that just "wasn't you", but EVERYONE who hears you sing, can vouch for the fact that the ONLY time a song you sing might not be a 10+++++++++++, is when it's just too easy for someone with your ability, hence, you get bored quite easily.  Assuming so many weren't jealous of you, out of the 25 songs you've submitted, your average would easily be an 11.  <cough>

OK, Getting serious now.

   There *IS* an argument for "The White Lie".  There's no question that some people don't want the truth, instead what is stated is done-so with the intent to make them feel better.  It's not much different than an easy way of sending flowers or giving somebody a hug. PROBLEM:  When this becomes the norm, and it precludes the "Critique" from existing. <Simply because the "Lie" has become the norm> it's not only easier than honesty, but it's expected, you've created a perfect reason to abolish the "Critique" category !  It sets up the person wishing to give the well intended Critique, in contrast making them appear as not only being Arrogant, unnecessarily condescending, and out've place, BUT, in fact, "It's NOT the way we do things around here". Hence, Lying is viewed as the norm, "it's the right thing to do in here", That's what the resounding message has become in the Showcase.  The White lie evolves into Lying. It's encouraged, New people see it, and are afraid of alienating others by being honest. Lying is not only encouraged and easy, but it's a sure way for everybody to run around scratching each others backs.. and creating a Utopic type fantasy world which totally precludes a "Critique" category from existing. This is fine for those that can only handle such a velvet coated existence.  The problem isn't when the person who truly benefit's from A lie receives the lie,  the problem is when the mood becomes, "This is Singer's Showcase, If you DO NOT lie in here, or sugar coat everything you are a Scrooge, a nasty person, and we don't like to see your type in here, you are ruining the mood by being a negative presence".. When the lie becomes a norm, and the exception is honesty, (NOT BRUTAL honesty) but just honesty, because people are AFRAID to be honest (will look bad for being honest, get brow beaten with the attitude) "Yes, there's a Critique category, but seriously, is telling him THAT the right thing to do?" EVEN assuming "HE" wants the Critique, because HE has both feet firmly planted on the ground, is mature enough to know what he's requesting, and actually wants the truth in order to improve...THIS person is lied to.. That's wrong.
This is where "tact" comes into play. The problem with White lies, as many know is when you have a scenerio where they conveniently evolve into "The Lie". It's used for self-gain and popularity, it's also used because the person writing what might otherwise be a beneficial Critique is now too afraid to tell the truth because "What will his peers do" ?  How will he now be perceived for furnishing the truth to benefit the person who CAN handle the truth, asks for the truth, AND SHOULD have a right to it ? Some of you don't realize this, but the collective message given in Singer's showcase is to lie. Honesty is discouraged.

When "The White Lie" becomes a norm, is no longer the exception, and ALL are expected to "Get with the program", and keep Candyland a sweet place, in contrast, having a Critique category, is what creates "The Lie".  Get rid of it, don't deceive those that have a right to improve via HONEST Critique,  Don't lower the bar to make it WRONG for those with experience to help others by offering a Critique when asked... Keep it to "Comments" ONLY !   There's nothing wrong with SS being a nice fantasyworld,  But for God Sakes, Get rid of that Satanic Critique Category... It ruins heaven !

In this case, people CAN eat their cake,  and keep it too... If you remove the Critique Category, and abolish ranking, there are NO lies !  People can say as they please, and it's not in direct contradiction of anything. As things currently stand, People are being arm-twisted tacitly into lying, whether some realize this, or not !

It's a sad event, when those mature enough to know what Critique means,  Assume responsibility when they ask for help in order to improve, and actually GAIN from others constructive honesty, lose out in a system.


Did I use any apostrophe's's in the wrong places ?


ADDED IN:

A few days ago, I was asked to enter Singer's Showcase and give an HONEST Critique by one of several I speak with in PM's that get discouraged with all the fluff instead of constructive honesty from those qualified who can in fact help them.. After viewing all the glowing responses, I REALLY felt like a "Party Pooper" that was partaking in behaviour that'd get him shunned just by lightly mentioning something that went against the grain or mood of "Damn YOU ARE AMAZING".. Yes,  the person IS amazing, but he also wants some constructive opinion as to how he can improve, or IF we feel he can..  Constantly telling people how great they are is fine, however that doesn't enable them to improve assuming improving is their goal.  WE CAN help certain people even in this setting with our honesty

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Seriously Jian,  You aren't that bad. It's a matter of finding a comfort zone, area that best suits you, and going from there. The Rod Stewart ballad you did sounded pretty good.  I can't sing as good as you.  I stink the best in KS !


Thanks Chris (Topher Chris that is),  I CARE even in this forum.  It's a great place for me to start doing things correctly.  Breaking a bad habit. I do want to better myself, assuming to do-so doesn't mean I need to shut up


I thought you would punctuate   His Condominiums'  meaning possession belonging to him.

(I'm not having the easiest time with this Chris,  I'm likely going to have to take a refresher Engris course.)

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Steve, there is a reason that I never asked you to critique me. I didn't want to put you in the position that you mentioned in the previous post. I respect your opinion and would like to hear it. There is this great possibility that you may hear stuff that you don't want to put in your critique because of my recent behavior. I am fragile only at times and only when feelings are involved, not when it comes to something that I need a "proof reader" for, as it were.

I am trying to improve my craft and want to know if my singing is marketable at all. This is necessary to offer as a selling point if it is worth selling.

If I have something that can stand up to the scrutiny of you or Michael ever, I will ask your opinion. You are encouraged to decline or accept as you see fit.

Jian... we all hear things differently... do you know how many people hear James Blunt and say he can't sing???.. The guy is still more popular than Starbucks... I remember you singing a Rod Stewart song and you pulled it off terrifically.. Anyone that truly knows, me, knows I am serious about music and I don't fluff around.. you can take my opinion or leave it, that's up to you

Chuck, If I were Critiquing you, You'd have absolutely nothing to be concerned about. I don't have "A style", I relate to the individuals, just as I'm relating to you now. There's no ego, no one-upsmanship, no blatant comments, nothing negative in fact.  This is what I find so ridiculous about this whole mess that's transpired over time, Critique isn't the process, It's babies that exploit something meant to be productive, therefore it just doesn't belong.  Critiquing should be done by people who have some maturity, and it's not talking DOWN on anybody at all.. It's also not easy to critique a person. What takes so much time is actually listening a few times and note-taking, jotting down EXACT parts, the lyrics at the time so the person has a frame of reference, I even go to the piano and play the part so I can repeat the intervals if necessary, and the passage note by note, chord by chord.. It'd be EXACTLY as if I were playing piano, you were singing, and I'd mention a certain part... Figure we might do it over again... It's really THAT simple... All this stigma has given "Critique" a bad-rap only because few know how to critique, few can take the time to critique, fewer that ask for one really want a bouquet of flowers thrown instead, and Critiquing is certainly ALOT tougher than a person just saying, "You sounded excellent...10++++".  As I've stated repeatedly, assuming I think someone is a :10:, THAT becomes the TOUGHEST Critique of them all, because they MUST know WHY, what I felt was so spectacular, what I liked.. Again, with no frame of reference, what good is a "10" ?  It's a score, however it's entirely ambiguous, because the person hasn't a clue what it is you thought was spectacular ?  How can they repeat the performance at that calibre if they aren't told what it is they did by the listener that the listener thought excelled ? Also, when a person PERSONALLY asks another for a Critique, the odds are greater that they genuinely WANT one. It's more specific than just tossing their work in a category, without thinking of possible ramifications of the category. People just don't think before entering their work, so the person trying to help them get's blasted for their foolishness, IF people DON'T want a Critique, Can't handle a Critique, but continuously post in the Critique category, they are exploiting the category, but that's what people wish to do, sobeit.  
The actual critique is a favor for someone, it's JUST to help them... Assuming they are lousy, and you don't feel you can help them in an area, you just don't mention that particular area, it's supposed to be a CONSTRUCTIVE experience ONLY, if you can't help a person with an "ear" issue, you don't hammer them about it, When people use some tact and etiquette, it's really a harmless process  LOL ... Critique involves maturity, some musical ability, and just discussing the performance... The only thing stopping me from critiquing all who've asked is the time... and concentration involved, Also when I get particularly schizy, it's not a good time for me to be objective and perceptive.  The person Critiquing must know their limitations as well...It's NOT a negative process, it's actually a POSITIVE process... The problems that exist in Singer's Showcase aren't because of a "Critique" process, it's kiddies running around hurting one-another with a toy they aren't old enough to handle...  A productive tool, that too many don't have the ability to handle and operate CAN become a potentially destructive weapon. Rather than reep the benefits of the Critique, too many in Singers Showcase are hurting each other, and themselves by trying to use it... Therefore, the tool does not belong in such a forum...  It's that easy.. It's exploited. It's really pretty sad when adults turn something that can be such a positive learning experience (all that's required is they curb A LITTLE ego, in order to help themselves improve) but nope,  that's too much to ask..

JMHO..

Critique, discussion, fine-tuning, and sometimes realizing you, myself, or anybody for that matter isn't cut out to critique it all, we all have limitations, none of us can critique every style of music effectively, AND depending on ability level I'm often just not qualified, the person exceeds my ability, I make sure I drop my ego too, in order to help another person, Often-times it might mean saying, You are too good for me IMHO,  I don't know what to say.. This is why I started the Singers Forum thread for instance.. It's a learning process for the Critiquing party as well.

This whole thing is sad, these are mainly adults in here letting this happen... The fact that people who can't handle a Critique, don't want the Critique, but continue to submit under Critique is REALLY screwing the whole experience for all... A few VERY qualified to help others, were shot down just because they tried to help someone who asked for help... I'm done ranting,  I need to proof read this.. I really am trying to pay attention to punctuation. I appreciate well intended Critique personally, needless to say, nobody likes camouflaged bashing, however that SHOULD NOT exist. Why shouldn't people like somebody taking the time to try to help them... So, I humble myself a little in here, admit that I don't know EVERYTHING about everything, and in a few years in the next BBoard I obsess in, I appear that much smarter, and it's all because someone took the time to help me improve !  Anyway, I need to run...

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Kappy.. I think you have to have the longest paragraphs I've ever seen  :shock:

One thing I forgot to mention as you remembered to mention is the amount of time and effort it takes to critique someone. Critique may not be the word I should use in my case. I need mainly an objective ear to tell me if there are things I could or should improve on.

I didn't think of this until Michael critiqued me once. He went to a lot of effort as well did everyone I asked. I nearly took for granted the amount of help available to me here. I think someone mentioned that such help costs money if done by a pro.

I wil take from what people tell to decide if I can sell my "talent" and how hard I should stress it in upcoming opportunies.

Anybody who offers and actually tells me at least one thing to work on is qualified IMO, at least for my needs.

If I do offer another sub to be critiqued, I will probably not allow commments but start yet another thread where people can offer the bits they noticed from their once or twice listening to it. I don't think that would be considered abuse of the system if I do it in SS. Of course, I could be wrong and as a human being that is expected.

Chuck

ADDED: I never believed the compliments my family gave when I reached 14 or above because I realized I was not hearing from an objective source.

 James Blunt can sing...he's just grating on some people's (did I use it right there Toher?  LOL) nerves...and yes, I'm one of those people.  JMHO...no right or wrong to it.

There are only three people who for SURE can't sing whom I know to have gone on to have at least some music-based fame...Bob Dylan...a lousy singer but spectacular writer (probably why his songs get covered so often)...Ashlee (sp?) Simpson...today's Milli Vanilli...and William Hung (shudder).

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